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YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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For the convenience of those who can't conveniently read a PDF on their current device: > The role that YouTube and its behind-the-scenes recommendation algorithm plays in encouraging online radicalization has been suggested by both journalists and academics alike. This study directly quantifies these claims by examining the role that YouTubes algorithm plays in suggesting radicalized content. After categorizing near…

> Our study thus suggests that YouTubes recommendation algorithm fails to promote inflammatory or radicalized content Asserting that "mainstream media and cable news content" is neither inflammatory nor radicalized. I'm not sure how accurate this statement is today.

True or not, this isn't what they were referring to.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Does Youtube radicalize? Edward Snowden made an observation during his Joe Rogan interview that compartmentalization within the CIA is necessary so that no person can see all the bad stuff at once and freak out at its total enormity. As a sysadmin, he was in effect radicalized by seeing the bigger picture at NSA that wasn't visible to other analysts.

I think Youtube shows you an analogous bigger picture that makes the dominant media narratives seem fabricated and dishonest when viewed together, even if individually most of it is sincere (if dumb) reporting.

The discourse around radicalization has also been abused by editors and academics with agendas to de-normalize formerly moderate views, and who treat the interests of regular people as beneath discourse. So it's hard to take any discussions of radicalization seriously, even ones questioning whether it's even a thing, as you still have to acknowledge the nonsense it has been freighted with first.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Does Youtube radicalize? Edward Snowden made an observation during his Joe Rogan interview that compartmentalization within the CIA is necessary so that no person can see all the bad stuff at once and freak out at its total enormity. As a sysadmin, he was in effect radicalized by seeing the bigger picture at NSA that wasn't visible to other analysts. I think Youtube shows you an analogous bigger picture that makes th…

Which formerly moderate views do you believe are being de-normalized by "editors and academics with agendas"?

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Does Youtube radicalize? Edward Snowden made an observation during his Joe Rogan interview that compartmentalization within the CIA is necessary so that no person can see all the bad stuff at once and freak out at its total enormity. As a sysadmin, he was in effect radicalized by seeing the bigger picture at NSA that wasn't visible to other analysts. I think Youtube shows you an analogous bigger picture that makes th…

Which formerly moderate views do you believe are being de-normalized by "editors and academics with agendas"?

As a “libertarian”, I have to hold my tongue and smile in most conversations.

The Overton Window has become so shockingly small, that most “normals” educated in the last 20 or so years no longer even realize that they have been mentally neutered.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me wonder how one would research Youtube algorithms from the outside. Perhaps freshly imaged computers in random geographical locations periodically running selenium or other browser automation software, recording which recommendations are made for various viewing preferences? The problem is A) the study could be invalidated by basic bot prevention (from identifying Selenium, identifying fresh accounts, etc)…

I helped contribute to YouTube algorithm research for BuzzFeed News in January: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/down-y...

> To better understand how Up Next discovery works, BuzzFeed News ran a series of searches on YouTube for news and politics terms popular during the first week of January 2019 (per Google Trends). We played the first result and then clicked the top video recommended by the platform’s Up Next algorithm. We made each query in a fresh search session with no personal account or watch history data informing the algorithm, except for geographical location and time of day, effectively demonstrating how YouTube’s recommendation operates in the absence of personalization.

From a technical perspective this does not seem very rigorous, specifically:

> We made each query in a fresh search session with no personal account or watch history

I don't see how you can confidently say

> effectively demonstrating how YouTube’s recommendation operates in the absence of personalization

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1) What is a "fresh search session"

2) Were all these requests made from the same IP address?

3) What does no personal account or watch history mean? Did you use incognito mode, did you logout from chrome, had you recently been logged into an account in that browser (such that cookies may still be present)?

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The point of my comment is that this research is ~hard~ and its difficult to definitely prove that Google's algorithms are immoral unless you can research with a high degree of rigor (the study is repeatable, its been peer reviewed by experts, etc).

FWIW I think this research is immensely valuable and needed, but I feel like until it is done well the "news" about it is little more then Op eds and blogspam.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me wonder how one would research Youtube algorithms from the outside. Perhaps freshly imaged computers in random geographical locations periodically running selenium or other browser automation software, recording which recommendations are made for various viewing preferences? The problem is A) the study could be invalidated by basic bot prevention (from identifying Selenium, identifying fresh accounts, etc)…

I helped contribute to YouTube algorithm research for BuzzFeed News in January: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/down-y...

Why did you edit out the line that says you used techniques like the ones the gp mentions? That was what made your comment relevant.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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I'm curious why all submissions about YouTube manipulating their recommendation algorithm gets flagged? I've submitted lots of links to HN, most of which never gets any points of course, but only those about YouTube have ever been flagged:

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21793498 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20475792

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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post #17

I'm curious why all submissions about YouTube manipulating their recommendation algorithm gets flagged? I've submitted lots of links to HN, most of which never gets any points of course, but only those about YouTube have ever been flagged: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21793498 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20475792

I can speculate that this particular submission might be flagged because it goes against anti-Youtube propaganda that some HN-popular companies are participating in, like Mozilla. And, you know, people love to suppress opposing views to their propaganda. But of course there might be more specific organized effort too.

Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Does Youtube radicalize? Edward Snowden made an observation during his Joe Rogan interview that compartmentalization within the CIA is necessary so that no person can see all the bad stuff at once and freak out at its total enormity. As a sysadmin, he was in effect radicalized by seeing the bigger picture at NSA that wasn't visible to other analysts. I think Youtube shows you an analogous bigger picture that makes th…

Which formerly moderate views do you believe are being de-normalized by "editors and academics with agendas"?

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Re: YouTube’s Rabbit Hole of Radicalization [pdf]

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Does Youtube radicalize? Edward Snowden made an observation during his Joe Rogan interview that compartmentalization within the CIA is necessary so that no person can see all the bad stuff at once and freak out at its total enormity. As a sysadmin, he was in effect radicalized by seeing the bigger picture at NSA that wasn't visible to other analysts. I think Youtube shows you an analogous bigger picture that makes th…

Which formerly moderate views do you believe are being de-normalized by "editors and academics with agendas"?

- Authoritarian ideologies, such as fascism and communism, have no place in our society and their proponents must be shunned

- People should be judged (i.e. admitted to college or hired) by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin

- Mass import of foreign workforce by corporations is not being done in pursuit of any high-minded ideals but to drive the wages down, and it is not something we must embrace or celebrate

If you agree with any of the above, congratulations -- you're a fascist.

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