It is possible to post to a Samsung endpoint so we can help them gather data?
This is why I never connect my TV to the internet and made it 'smart' via the HDMI input.
Next step is to rebuild my house as Faraday cage.
Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition
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>A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby Connect to your own wifi and block any traffic?
If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? Even if they don't do this yet it's only a matter of time before the manufacturers catch on and start doing so.
In that case, the only hope you have is play the cat and mouse game and hope they give up before you do. Realistically though, they probably won't bother escalate past this point because the people who would go to such lengths are a tiny minority, and going after them don't make business sense.
>If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down?
One idea to counter this would be to use something like this[1] to deauth the TV instantly, or spam a bunch of open networks so it gets stuck trying to connect to those rather than actually working ones.
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A TV whose "dumbness" is a selling point and not a drawback. Basically a monitor in a TV form-factor with a reasonably price (it's actually pretty cheap for its size and feature set) - at the moment the only other alternative to this is a commercial display which are priced at several thousands for this size, and even then I'm not sure any of them would offer 4k and HDR (since it's not really relevant for outdoor dig…
I submitted this as a link a few weeks back, and since then ironcast have basically added/updated every point of concern fellow HN posters had: - HDR - analog volume “puck” - more hdmi connections Also - source code is at least claimed to be open. Nothing really like this on the European market to be found.
I really hope they deliver. I'm definitely getting one when I'm in the market for a TV.
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#204This has been a reality for years.
I can't tell you how I know this - but I can tell you it has been a fact for more than five years.
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#205Where does it say "screenshot"?
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Mandate transparent disclosure. Consumers don't care about these schemes because they largely don't know the details. There should be clear, tobacco-esque disclosure requirements of this sort of thing on the product packaging . If Samsung et al. want to data mine their customers in exchange for lower pricing, they're welcome to do so. What should not be legal is doing so and appearing the same as a company who does n…
Transparent disclosure doesn't mean shit when the company can honestly say what it's doing and there's zero repercussions for it.
Are there?
I couldn't point to one IoT / internet-enabled appliance that I would say is transparent about its adtech to non-technical users.
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What makes 5G so much different than an LTE modem for this type of application? If they were going to do this why wouldn’t it already be happening with LTE.
Funny enough, 5G is not much better than 4G other than 1000x device density. There is no 1000x increase in population on the horizon, but IoThieves is around the corner.
> IoThieves
Hah, love it! I’m buying a TV today actually, I’ll use this when I have to convince the Micro Center guys that a dumb TV is really what i want
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If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? Even if they don't do this yet it's only a matter of time before the manufacturers catch on and start doing so.
In that case, the only hope you have is play the cat and mouse game and hope they give up before you do. Realistically though, they probably won't bother escalate past this point because the people who would go to such lengths are a tiny minority, and going after them don't make business sense. >If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is dow…
The problem is that putting up with this doesn't actually send a message to the manufacturer that this is not OK, so they'll just keep doing this and perfecting their malware-like techniques until it's completely unblockable without some military-grade signal jamming equipment.
Even if it can be blocked, I don't recommend anyone buy these and look for alternatives (commercial displays, old second-hand ones, https://ironcast.tv, etc)
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Can't confirm this myself, but in previous threads about similar topics, people noted that some of those "smart" devices probe every open WiFi they find and use that without your explicit consent. So it's not always possible to disconnect them.
Solder the antenna to ground on the wifi module. It's what I'll be doing on my next TV.
The antenna will probably be inside the TV case and very difficult for the "average" user to try. They'd be too-scared to do so. Heck, I'd wager that a good chunk of electrical-minded individuals, even trained ones, would be scared of doing anything to their expensive device that requires them to open it.
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#210Unfortunately all vendors do it. Here is how to disable it, for most brands: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id...
I bought 2 smart TVs recently and was able to turn all this BS off by simply not accepting the privacy policies during setup. Of course this means you can't use the built-in netflix apps or check for software updates or whatever but that's fine by me. I left both on my network for a period of time as well to check (via DPI) and indeed neither one was actually doing anything on the network other than pinging a software-update server every few days.