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The video rental records were used to compromise a congressman from the ruling party. That's the only reason there is a specific privacy law for them. If you want a TV privacy law, you'll have compromise a congressman.

Slight correction; it was John Tower, a potential Defense Secretary nominee whose nomination was scuttled when a local paper got hold of his video rental records. He wasn't in congress at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower

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Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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This assumes a certain (low) level of malicious intent. A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby or use even more exotic methods to exfiltrate data.

>A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby Connect to your own wifi and block any traffic?

You're still assuming it won't detect this and periodically phone home from an open network.

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This assumes a certain (low) level of malicious intent. A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby or use even more exotic methods to exfiltrate data.

>A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby Connect to your own wifi and block any traffic?

If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down?

Even if they don't do this yet it's only a matter of time before the manufacturers catch on and start doing so.

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Wait until 5G rolls out into mass adoption where an IoT modem is built into every TV for “diagnostics”

I've literally never had a TV break or stop working. Ever. Especially with the new mass produced panels, what sort of Diagnostics or remote analysis could they POSSIBLY be doing?

Exactly

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It's not even a free problem, it's general pricing. Companies constantly seek ways to increase profits, while customers constantly seek bargain basement pricing.Electronic privacy is not a problem people have dealt with at large, I think. People also often view the competency of corporations much higher than the HN crowd typically does. I think this is the same for any category of information though. Informed people…

Mandate transparent disclosure. Consumers don't care about these schemes because they largely don't know the details. There should be clear, tobacco-esque disclosure requirements of this sort of thing on the product packaging . If Samsung et al. want to data mine their customers in exchange for lower pricing, they're welcome to do so. What should not be legal is doing so and appearing the same as a company who does n…

Transparent disclosure doesn't mean shit when the company can honestly say what it's doing and there's zero repercussions for it.

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they'll just connect to your neighbour's router, or their car, or their phone...

That’s a legit concern. If Samsung made a deal with, say, Comcast to connect to the ever-present “xfinitywifi” SSID, then it wouldn’t matter if you’re blocking the sly TV from your own network.

That's a very valid concern, especially since most consumer-grade ISPs are in bed with the media industry and would be very interested in the tracking data from these TVs.

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Slight correction; it was John Tower, a potential Defense Secretary nominee whose nomination was scuttled when a local paper got hold of his video rental records. He wasn't in congress at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower

What in the hell was he renting that ruined his career?

Actually Robert Bork, and I misremembered : not actually compromising, but worse, a reporter being a smart Alec. Bork had asserted that there was no right to privacy so a reporter set out to demonstrate that invading his privacy would upset him.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071009150938/http://www.theame...

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How did we go from a country that made it a crime to share video rental records to one where everything you watch is constantly monitored and monetized?

Tasks versus goals, same as always. It's exactly the same as the question of why it was once recommended to carry a rifle for safety when traveling from St. Louis to Portland, and now it's recommended you leave it at home.

The goal was always to make corporations money. The task necessary to accomplish this goal just happened to flip.

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The thing is, the smart thing you hook up to it is under your control. It could be a laptop or Raspberry Pi.

Is a Windows PC really under your control nowadays? And if you connect your phone to the TV, you don't really even own those, even if you paid $1000 for your "phone". The manufacturers are the true owners unless you root them which is not always easy.

No, but you can detach the Windows PC. With a smart TV, you're stuck with whatever is in that firmware, without which the TV may not even turn on.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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My Vizio that I’ve had for years recently popped up an “opt in” that asked me to allow them to track my usage. Except it wasn’t opt in at all. I couldn’t use any of their services if I didn’t agree to let them track me.

So I promptly did a factory reset and now we use the AppleTV exclusively with that TV.

It is not only the last Vizio product I’ll ever own but I’ll go out of my way to find a dumb tv the next time I need one, if such a thing exists by then.

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