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Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by pessimizer »

mrtksn wrote: post #32

People like subsidized stuff. People who subsidize things like to do it only when they are paid more than the subsidies they give and they are paid based on who they subsidize because the people who are paying the subsidizers must go to the subsidized people and take their money for the subsidies. It's a rock-solid business model with a requirement to know your customers, it's not going away unless a better alternati…

Businesses don't leave money on the table. "Smart" features don't subsidize the purchase price, they just add to the margin. If companies tacitly collude to keep dumb TVs off the market, surveillance is a tide that will lift all of their boats.

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Post by Nextgrid »

xenospn wrote: post #129
wcfields wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until 5G rolls out into mass adoption where an IoT modem is built into every TV for “diagnostics”

I've literally never had a TV break or stop working. Ever. Especially with the new mass produced panels, what sort of Diagnostics or remote analysis could they POSSIBLY be doing?

That's sarcasm and/or corporate-speak, just like every software nowadays has telemetry and diagnostics and yet the quality of it is much lower than a decade ago before any of this BS. Just that if they called it by stalking and/or marketing tracking there would be an outcry, so "diagnostics" it is.

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Post by nvrspyx »

njudah wrote: post #126
pjc50 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video rental records were used to compromise a congressman from the ruling party. That's the only reason there is a specific privacy law for them. If you want a TV privacy law, you'll have compromise a congressman.

Slight correction; it was John Tower, a potential Defense Secretary nominee whose nomination was scuttled when a local paper got hold of his video rental records. He wasn't in congress at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower

Slight correction; it was not John Tower (and I'm curious how you mistook the two), it was Robert Bork. He was nominated for the Supreme Court by Ronald Reagan. His video rental history was obtained by Michael Dolan. His nomination was rejected by the Senate, but it wasn't necessarily over his video rental history because the videos he rented were entirely unremarkable. However, it brought up questions of privacy and resulted in the Video Privacy Protection Act of 1988.

EDIT: I should add that accessing his video rental history was used as an example and a counter to Bork's own anti-privacy position, which is probably the real reason his nomination was rejected (although I can't say for sure since I'm no expert in this stuff and this all happened before I was even born)

You'll find the info at the following link under the "U.S. Supreme Court Nomination" section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

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Post by mkarliner »

lpgauth wrote: post #161

Samsung Smart TVs do not take screenshots as far as I know. They do audio and video fingerprinting. It would be way too costly and inificient to upload screenshots for content recognition ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_content_recognitio... ). Disclaimer: I work for Samsung, but not directly in the TV software.

So, they do video fingerprinting? To me, that means that they can identify what you are watching, which I think is what the OP was pointing out, regardless of mechanism. Mike (ex-CTO Shazam)

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Post by Barrin92 »

buddylw wrote: post #165

I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…

privacy legislation like the GDPR is a good start. In the US at least California seems on their way to come up with stronger privacy legislation and hopefully it'll spill over.

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Post by kirstenbirgit »

driverdan wrote: post #159
kiwee wrote: post #62

Unfortunately all vendors do it. Here is how to disable it, for most brands: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id...

Here is how to disable it for all brands: Don't connect your TV to the internet.

Exactly. I wouldn't trust any TV where it's even an option.

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Post by Nextgrid »

xingped wrote: post #172
jordanbeiber wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll go for this one when my plasma dies: https://ironcast.tv/

I don't understand what this brand is trying to sell?

A TV whose "dumbness" is a selling point and not a drawback. Basically a monitor in a TV form-factor with a reasonably price (it's actually pretty cheap for its size and feature set) - at the moment the only other alternative to this is a commercial display which are priced at several thousands for this size, and even then I'm not sure any of them would offer 4k and HDR (since it's not really relevant for outdoor digital signage applications).

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Post by Nextgrid »

pjmlp wrote: post #86
JadeNB wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the same list of reasons why manufacturers now only want to sell you smart TVs, and dumb panels are so hard to find.

I just need to go to the local Media Markt store to find a couple of dumb ones.

They're either old stock (which means you wouldn't get new features like HDR, etc) or really low quality ones (which means you're compromising on display quality, reliability, etc).
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