Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition • Hacker News Board

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by hondadriver » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

JadeNB wrote: post #36

rohan1024 wrote: post #27

Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.

Exactly the same list of reasons why manufacturers now only want to sell you smart TVs, and dumb panels are so hard to find.

Philips Momentum monitors...

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by decebalus1 » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

Eikon wrote: post #34

nabla9 wrote: post #25

If only there was good guy ISP service that would maintain blocking list for these and all tracking tools so that even clueless people are safe.

They would be sued to hell as the role of an isp is not to be a regulator of what a company can and can not do.

why? Net neutrality has been struck down. The ISP can basically throttle/block whatever they feel like, right?

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by LamaOfRuin » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

vonquant wrote: post #84

giancarlostoro wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow it will. Not sure when. I tire of Amazon giving me ads to things I already bought. Like someone told me they bought something you usually only buy one of like... Random example: a new toilet or something... No I dont need another one the replacement one was fine enough thank you!

You're more optimistic than I. Hard to overthrow the industry that specialises in manipulation.

Except they're clearly bad at it. Their biggest success is the hype about how effective their methods are with absolutely no proof.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by SlowRobotAhead » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

welly wrote: post #33

naner wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads, baby. Everything you do online is for sale.

The Internet needs to be better than being almost entirely propped up by the advertising industry. Surely even they know their day will come. It will, won't it?

It takes a little longer every time someone implies ad blockers are “stealing” or that it’s all ok because “it’s the model”. I completely refuse both of these ideas.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by 29083011397778 » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

dev_tty01 wrote: post #65

It is simple. Never ever connect the TV to the internet. Use a third party box (or computer) you trust to handle the streaming connection. Apple has fairly reasonable privacy policies for Apple TV. Other boxes may as well. Related anecdote. My TV needed an update via internet. I noticed that there was no way to delete a wifi password, meaning once connected it was game over. The only solution was to setup temporary w…

> My TV needed an update via internet.

How could it possibly know it needed an update? And what could your advantage be letting it update, considering it would otherwise be forever air-gapped?

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by wil421 » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

freeflight wrote: post #99

twostorytower wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's to prevent you from doing the same with a SmartTV in the future? Just disconnect it from the network and keep a box plugged into HDMI1.

> Just disconnect it from the network and keep a box plugged into HDMI1. One would assume it'd be as simple as that, but apparently it ain't because many SmartTV's will jump trough quite a few loops to get online, like using nearby open Wifi. At least there's been a bunch of stories like this in past HN discussions around SmartTV's.

There’s been plenty of discussions on HN about the possibilities of SmartTVs doing nefarious stuff but not a lot stuff in the wild.

Last time this came up someone was telling me the TV could get Ethernet from an HDMI cable via an AppleTV or Xbox etc. Stackexchange said the tech was dead and no one really adopted it. You can’t find a TV or even a cable that supports it.

Any source about the auto connect to open WiFi?

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by dominotw » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #46

criddell wrote: post #3

How did we go from a country that made it a crime to share video rental records to one where everything you watch is constantly monitored and monetized?

In a word: lobbying.

In a word: convenience.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by egdod » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

blackhaz wrote: post #22

egdod wrote: post #4

You can disable this feature, but of course you have to trust the manufacturer that it’s actually disabled. And if the manufacturer were trustworthy, they wouldn’t be doing things like this to begin with.

We need something to firewall the Internets from our too-smart house stuff! Something like an inverse firewall. A waterwall.

How is your firewall going to know the difference between uploading screen shots vs. communicating with a streaming service?

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by Koshkin » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #6

criddell wrote: post #3

How did we go from a country that made it a crime to share video rental records to one where everything you watch is constantly monitored and monetized?

Too many people saying, “I have nothing to hide.” Also, people like “free” stuff.

Convenience. Even always using the private mode when browsing the web is a hassle.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by 8ytecoder » Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #6

criddell wrote: post #3

How did we go from a country that made it a crime to share video rental records to one where everything you watch is constantly monitored and monetized?

Too many people saying, “I have nothing to hide.” Also, people like “free” stuff.

It’s really hard for people realize the effects of something that could potential harm them in the future. Future self Vs present self, present always wins.

Nothing is free. People don’t realize that google being free is because, let’s say, Samsung pays Google for ads. And Samsung passes it on to customers. Lo and behold, your phone purchase pays for Google. (This is simplistic but I’m using it as an example of hidden costs. Advertisers could potential still spend the money elsewhere or keep it as profits)