Is College Still Worth It? The New Calculus of Falling Returns [pdf]
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Skilled manual work. Cannot be outsourced. But it can be dramatically diluted through lenient immigration policies (and that's exactly what happened). Bottom line, you have to be clever stay on your toes to make it in today's economy, and even then you need lots of luck and excellent health. UBI would result in a much more just society.
UBI would just feed directly into rents because that's how prices are set. UBI would require land value tax to ensure the public value is capture for public spending. UBI alone is a land speculator wet dream and Yang is totally wrong to be pushing it without LVT. Yes in the middle of nowhere it can help, but most people are in cities and rents will rise there to current rent + UBI amount.
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#155A proper title would be Is College Still Worth It [Financially]? Evaluating an education purely on economic terms is the wrong move to make, but unfortunately an increasingly common one.
* Life experience
* Knowledge gained
* Friends made
But what would you add?
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#156Still waiting for this to happen, but maybe lambda school and bootcamps are the start. I expect credentialing of schools and the longer engagement with colleges to make the transition longer. Bit I don't see how colleges avoid being unbundled.
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#157I think the concept of university is mostly a time waste and the reasons for it is:
- University is the concept of someone teaching you a topic and then you being able to claim you are qualified in this topic. However, people nowadays need to train themselves in complete new fields multiple times in their lifetime and therefore we already have to teach ourselvs new things all the time and be able to proof that we are qualified in something without a university degree. So why a degree in the first place?
- Before we had the internet, digital books, online training courses and other learning materials at our fingertips one had to go to a different physical location packed with other students and learn a subject at a slower pace so that everyone could equally follow the topic. Today this is a waste of time. If one has access to all the learning materials themselves, then they can consume it at their own pace, possibly learn a 3 year course in a single year. Why slow yourself down unnecessarily?
- Experience > degree. After the first 2-4 years of work experience nobody cares anymore about your initial degree, unless it's medicine or law. Once you've worked, people are interested in your actual ability to deliver and after 2-4 years there's enough data to convince someone how good you are.
- The more people have a degree, the less it's something which makes you stand out. I believe that being different is the best way to stand out from a crowded and competitive market, no matter how. Basically you want to be part of the minority. If nobody has a degree, you want to have a degree, if everybody has a degree, then you don't. People like to see something special in other people, if you can convince them that you know something without going through a lengthy programm like everybody else, then people will think you are smarter or something like that (even if it's not true). This only works though if your in the minority. It's the same pshycology which allows one person to charge 300% more than competitors and having the largest share of customers, because they think that there's something inherently better about it.
- In many countries attending university means creating debt. There's good debt and there's bad debt. If I take credit to buy a property which has very high and real chances of drastically increasing in value, then it's good debt, but if I take credit in order to learn something which I can learn myself and which after 2-4 years won't even matter anymore, then it's possible very bad debt.
I know someone who paid 150k for an MBA at a business school and I think the money was wasted. If you pay 150k on an MBA in business, then clearly the course material will be entirely wasted on you. 150k is good money that could have been spent so much better in other areas, like buying property and then see the value grow whilst receiving passive income through rent or investing in an actual business which you want to create after the MBA.
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#158- The more time you spend, the more time you're not working and making money/experience. You're also in a quite restricted social group with only the professors providing contact with older, more experienced people.
- There really is nothing you can learn in college that isn't public knowledge. At best you get a better idea of what the experts think is important in a field. So for instance I didn't read Marxist or Austrian economics.
- Nobody is going to know whether you did that advanced course on category theory for coders. I'm sure it's both interesting and relevant, but you have more time to learn this yourself, when you're not being judged by an exam.
- You'll also learn things better when you're not constantly thinking about proving it on an exam.
- Everything is college is really an intro. A really evil one where you're asked to fly over some field and then get asked some very specific questions when it comes to exam time.
- Of course there are things that really are work relevant at college, especially programming related stuff. It's hard to know what they are as a novice, but looking at it now it seems anything where you're in the practice of using a repo and iterating a solution is what you're after, or using common tools like git or tmux (there's a lot). That can occur in many types of courses though, whether it's systems or human interface and so on.
Since there's a lot of Americans here, and I have some experience of that system, I'd say go to Europe. Or the UK, if you like keeping it in English. In Europe, most of the courses are very specific and short. I got a Masters degree 4 years after high school, and I wasn't even at uni for most of the year (3x8 weeks a year), so in theory it could have all been done in 2 years. Which puts into perspective how much you're actually learning there.
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#159A proper title would be Is College Still Worth It [Financially]? Evaluating an education purely on economic terms is the wrong move to make, but unfortunately an increasingly common one.
What other terms should be included? I can think of a few: * Life experience * Knowledge gained * Friends made But what would you add?
This is the fundamental problem with self-education: you tend to get stuck in local loops based on your current interests, motivations and knowledge. Sure, the information is out there, but without a proper introduction by an expert, real-world peers learning the same material, and the overarching school structure, it may as well be written in hieroglyphics. External education, when properly designed, should broaden the mind and prepare it for self-education, but without it, you often end up with a fairly limited view of the world shaped by whatever you personally find interesting.