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Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

I was vegetarian for about a decade and during that time my cholesterol was too low such that my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL. I saved the voicemail he left and it was a running joke that I had a prescription for the bar. The moment I started eating meat again my levels went back up. My doctor has always said I was overweight but in the last couple years I added an e…

  my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL
Did that doctor describe a mechanism of action how hard liquor could be of benefit? Sounds like a quack to me, frankly.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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post #153

Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

Problem with vegetarian diet is it allows for eating cheese and eggs which are full of cholesterol. I've been vegan for a while and my blood work has improved dramatically. Also, just being vegan/vegetarian doesn't mean anything unless you also eat well; lots of vegetables, fruit, nuts, legumes and whole grains. I'm guessing 8-10 beers a week didn't help, full of sugar.

  cheese and eggs which are full of cholesterol
Dietary cholesterol doesn't generally affect serum cholesterol in the absence of dietary glucose.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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post #83

Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. This gives it an inherent legitimacy. Contrast all other fad diets, and essentially every supplement ever sold.

>Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. I think the Abrahamic religions figured it out already...you create holy days like Yom Kippur, Lent, Ramadan and make fasting a mainstay of the traditions. Boom, not only can you make money on not eating, but you can simultaneously take credit for all the actual benefits of the fast itself.

I would disagree here. You're assuming that Abrahamic religion solely integrated fasting for credit purposes. Whatever you think of religion, you can at least give them a point on that.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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post #83

Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. This gives it an inherent legitimacy. Contrast all other fad diets, and essentially every supplement ever sold.

So they don't sell supplements but they will peddle you books, lecture tours, and even special foods at massive cost. It's like any other diet industry past the first glance.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I’d like to fast until lunch time but I haven’t found any substitute for milk in coffee and I fear that breaks any fasting benefits.

I’m trying out half and half. It’s 4g of fat, 1g carb so very ketogenic. I think it would work great for fasting.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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https://telegra.ph/My-experiment-with-IF-03-09 A good time and place to plug results of the IF experiment I did a few years back. FWIW, I have been on a no-breakfast, no-lunch protocol, on weekdays since then and I absolutely love it because it keeps me sharp through the day (no post-glucose “dullness”).

This is a good experiment although you haven’t mentioned how you eat when breaking the fast. It seems a lot of advantages of IF will be suppressed if you continue consuming refined carbs during eating window. I am interested in IF setting where you consume same calories during eating window but only through ketogenic diet.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in many people’s experience (mine included) there’s phase change sometime in the 48-72 hour mark in which hunger/appetite essentially disappears (some describe it is gone, some as easily ignored background noise) Personally, I’ve gone more than 14 days several times, I usually start when not feeling very well (and lacking appetite) which makes even the first couple of days trivial. If you do want to go farther than 3…

> more than 14 days several times Isn't that how anorexics end up unable to eat at all, though? They go so long without eating that the "good" bacteria that permits digestion disappear so they're no longer able to process food.

I am not familiar with the process anorexics go through, but it is likely very different - thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, do fasting of 2-7 days on a regular basis with no ill effect (on the contrary - often with good effect).

Good bacteria can likely be reinstated by the body itself (the appendix is a cache for them), from food, or if all else fails - by FMT. I’m not an expert on this, and may be wrong, but from a lot of reading - any anorexia symptoms and processes seem to be entirely absent from mindful fasting.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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https://telegra.ph/My-experiment-with-IF-03-09 A good time and place to plug results of the IF experiment I did a few years back. FWIW, I have been on a no-breakfast, no-lunch protocol, on weekdays since then and I absolutely love it because it keeps me sharp through the day (no post-glucose “dullness”).

This is a good experiment although you haven’t mentioned how you eat when breaking the fast. It seems a lot of advantages of IF will be suppressed if you continue consuming refined carbs during eating window. I am interested in IF setting where you consume same calories during eating window but only through ketogenic diet.

Thanks! Yes, I can imagine that that hypothesis would hold true and probably contributed to a higher fat loss. But, like I mentioned, I was keen to isolate only the fasting effect, without controlling for the diet.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was vegetarian for about a decade and during that time my cholesterol was too low such that my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL. I saved the voicemail he left and it was a running joke that I had a prescription for the bar. The moment I started eating meat again my levels went back up. My doctor has always said I was overweight but in the last couple years I added an e…

my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL Did that doctor describe a mechanism of action how hard liquor could be of benefit? Sounds like a quack to me, frankly.

Liquor is a source of good cholesterol so I suspect drinking it? That was my impression.
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