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Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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>Jeez, or just eat 3 healthy balanced meals a day and stop obsessing over gimmicks and fad diets. Do you see the irony is calling fasting a fad diet when it has been part of human culture across the globe for thousands of years, and instead you point to "3 healthy balanced meals a day" which essentially was a fad diet in the 18th century. >I can't imagine our ancient ancestors worrying about fasting or being keto. Ag…

Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy. And sure, replace my "three meals a day" with "regular eating throughout the day" if it makes you feel better. My point is, our ancient ancestors were foragers and would have grazed on plants throughout the day. It's what our bodies have evolved to do. As for keto, you said i…

>Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy.

You really have an odd bone to pick with fasting...so how about the ancient Greeks? They didn't practice the Abrahamic religions and the Greeks serve as the foundation of Western thought and logic. In fact lets take Plato and Artistotle who both fasted purely for the physical and mental benefits not for the Gods, as was common, for example:

"Everyone has a physician inside him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well. Our food should be our medicine. Our medicine should be our food. But to eat when you are sick is to feed your sickness." -Hippocrates

"Instead of using medicine, rather, fast a day." - Plutarch

>It was used as a way to reduce epileptic seizures, not because it was thought of as the optimal way for humans to eat.

It was already known fasting prevent seizures. Keto was developed as a way to mimic those benefits of fasting without having to abstain from food/fast.

>It's what our bodies have evolved to do.

Well from an evolutionary perspective, the human brain more efficiently runs off of ketones than glucose. Biologically humans need insulin to clear glucose from the blood and biologically humans become resistant to insulin over time (so its not much of an evolutionary argument). Not to mention the recent Nobel Prize for discovering Autophagy which is the process of cell recycling triggered by...fasting.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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You might enjoy Attia on distance cycling while in nutritional ketosis: https://peterattiamd.com/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist/ (like you, he eats carbs when riding long distances--even with the aim of staying in ketosis)

This was a very interesting read. I’ve never gotten this in depth with my nutrition before. I’m beginning to think I might want to look more into a keto style diet. I eat a lot of carbs ( mostly clean, veges and fruits ) and cook most of my food at home. I’ve been maintaining weight but haven’t really lost much fat. I know my diet is the reason, so the answer is probably to reduce carbs and increase the proteins. Per…

Listen to the latest Peter Attia podcast. Short answer for weight loss is to stay in zone 2, eat small amounts of carbs only during zone 2+ exercise, only enough for non-insulin-dependent GLUT4 transport. You can roughly double your fatty acid metabolism in a few months like this.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I don't calorie count. 4pm meal can be a cheese burger, Chinese food or paki food ( like chicken Karahi) I do an evening workout around 7pm with kettle bell swings to burn the sugar. Then i have a snack after. But Its very odd I am NOT hungry just like "used" to eating as if it's a memory. I am still getting used to this. I can't explain it clearly. I guess you just have to try it. My whole family has diabetes even m…

>4pm meal can be a cheese burger, Chinese food or paki food (like chicken Karahi) I do an evening workout around 7pm with kettle bell swings to burn the sugar. If I can make a suggestion...if possible continue the fast into the workout. If you find you don't have the energy to get through the workout or performance suffers try replacing the meal with a sugarfree pre-workout to get through, then eat the carbs with som…

YES. So i workout 12-1pm in the afternoon in a fasted state. The eve workout 12 min , is to burn any extra sugar i may have in my blood stream from eating at 4pm. I am with you. My pre-diabetes status is now gone. I think i may have to make IF a life long diet. I have NEVER felt better. I am 170 5' 10" solid I "was" 184 when i had the pre-diabetes diagnosis.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Please understand that everyone's body is different.

What works for you may not work for someone else.

This is SO important in nutritional research because in every single one these threads there is always someone who will say X worked for me and someone else who says X didn't work for me. And BOTH are right.

Example:

I've done IF for years as a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter. I've gained and lost weight on IF. IF should (until more research is done) simply be viewed as a compliance tactic. In other words, if it helps you eat healthier and maintain a healthy weight: great! If not, don't assume you're missing out on some magical panacea of health and vitality.

Recently I stopped doing IF and eating more frequently for performance reasons so I can reach the national circuit in powerlifting. My blood work is still fine. My weight is still fine. Again, YMMV.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I’ve been doing some form of intermittent fasting for a large part of the last 15 years.

I started with 36 hours once a week because I made money based on the appearance of my body. It works tremendously well in the short-term, but it’s deceptive. The tissue loss is mostly fat, which looks great, but there is definitely some muscle loss, which is an order of magnitude harder to gain back, so the long-term effect is muscle wasting and fat rebound as caloric demands drop. It’s easy to see in my photos. Later I did OMAD several times for stretches of about a year with roughly similar short and long-term effects. Recently I completed a 100-hour fast.

There are a few basic issues. First, with IF you’re not really fasting as long as you think you are. Small intestines take about 6 hours, and the colon turns fIber into MCTs for days. Second, the insulin surge becomes preferential to fatty acid storage over muscle glycogen. Third, you lose the ghrelin-induced GH that releases fatty acids throughout the day to feed the muscles. There may be autophagy benefits, but that may be as true for satellite cells as it is for cancer, and maybe more so because cancer usually originates in fatty tissues with lots of energy nearby.

At this point, by experience and by science, I don’t think IF is the best diet protocol if you have the discipline for a more continuous protocol. I don’t, so I can’t say I’ve tried that, and I hate the fat on my body, so I’m not sure where to go from here. I’m not 100% convinced either way, but I wanted to give a balancing perspective.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Please understand that everyone's body is different. What works for you may not work for someone else. This is SO important in nutritional research because in every single one these threads there is always someone who will say X worked for me and someone else who says X didn't work for me. And BOTH are right. Example: I've done IF for years as a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter. I've gained and lost weight on…

This.

IF is just one of the four approaches[1] to calorie restriction, which seems to be the key to health and longevity.

[1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMuOH8GUUAAeWzQ.jpg:large

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I have been on the intermittent fasting thing for about 6 months. I started with 14 hours then 16 hours and now 18-20 hour fast. I dropped 10 pounds. I have a history of diabetes in my family. I took the 28andME DNA test and it said i have a predisposition to diabetes. The doc said to me. You have pre-diabetes just continue to workout and watch what you eat and your insurance does n…

So did you reverse your pre-diabetes? It's hard to tell from this message. You mention that you feel better and that it's "working for me" but how can you know unless you get that blood work done? You may subjectively feel better but it may not be making a dent in your health.

Honestly, what most likely will reverse your prediabetes is that you are now working out more, eating less, and dropped 10 pounds. The IF was simply a compliance tactic to help you achieve that goal. Just something to keep in mind... it's okay if you eventually stop doing IF, what's more important is you maintain the healthy eating and active lifestyle.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. This gives it an inherent legitimacy. Contrast all other fad diets, and essentially every supplement ever sold.

This is patently false.

Martin Berkhan created a very lucrative coaching platform with Intermittent Fasting: https://leangains.com/

Many books have been written on IF for profit:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Fasting-Intermittent-A...

https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Stop-Brad-Pilon/dp/177511080X/ref...

And countless others.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I have been on the intermittent fasting thing for about 6 months. I started with 14 hours then 16 hours and now 18-20 hour fast. I dropped 10 pounds. I have a history of diabetes in my family. I took the 28andME DNA test and it said i have a predisposition to diabetes. The doc said to me. You have pre-diabetes just continue to workout and watch what you eat and your insurance does n…

You can get some of these benefits on keto, including steady energy levels, reduced brain fog, and no morning carb hangover headaches. The good news is you can eat what you want, the bad news is basically no carbs ever which makes eating out difficult. I'm surprised a narrow IF feeding window gives the carb benefits, but sounds worth a try for sustainability long term.

Experiences are highly biased and individual.

Counter-example: I was on Keto for 2 years and my blood levels became prediabetic (105 and 100 in 2 blood tests over the course of 2 annual doctor visits).

As soon as I reintroduced carbs to normal levels (I bought a glucosometer) my blood sugars went back down to optimal (85). My most recent blood work was at 90.

Your mileage may vary and everyone's GI responds differently to different foods.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I have been on the intermittent fasting thing for about 6 months. I started with 14 hours then 16 hours and now 18-20 hour fast. I dropped 10 pounds. I have a history of diabetes in my family. I took the 28andME DNA test and it said i have a predisposition to diabetes. The doc said to me. You have pre-diabetes just continue to workout and watch what you eat and your insurance does n…

How was your diet before you started intermittent fasting? When I read anecdotal accounts like this, I often wonder if your previous diet was so poor that doing anything to change it would've made it better. In other words, without a control group that switched from high carb to low carb without intermittent fasting it's hard to know if the benefits you've seen are from intermittent fasting or just from eating better…

I was a long distance runner from like 25-36. I ate whatever i wanted. You know what they tell you, Carb loading etc… Then i went through a vegetarian phase. A paleo phase , An atkins phase etc... Then i went through broke phase at 39. I really didn't get the pre-diabetes diagnosis until after 46. I stopped the long distance running and shifted to a more of a calisthenics workout. Pull ups and HIIT training more functional muscle type stuff , ( 2 mile run consisting of sprinting then pull ups / push ups / dips. After the DNA test and the pre-disposition to diabetes after 45 i went to the doctor got blood work and thats when the doctor said my AC1 is high and Im pre-diabetic. I ate a LOT of choc-chip cookies in youth ( lol) and LOVED me a good brownie a la mode with a LOT of fudge . Now after this IF diet and the predisposition to diabetes and had to give up all that. This IF diet is working great for me now. Hopefully i can stay with it. I have dropped weight but do not want to be below 165. I think the ideal weight for me is around 170 lbs. I suggest everyone at LEAST give it a shot and get a 23andME test as you get older to find out if you have a pre-disposition. Then take some action or you will be on meds. Doctor never prescribed IF to me they don’t have time for it. Doctor never prescribed cross fit either. They just prescribe meds.
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