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Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

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Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#21
Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome.

Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rapidly.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

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post #11

"the main focus of Firefox development in 2011, is to make sure there is no more than 50ms between any user interaction and feedback from the browser" Quite surprised to see this, judging from the fact that empirically the average human brain-hand response is around 200 ms. Only in competitive CS have i seen network latency in a non-LAN setting makes a difference in that scenario, but only when you are not on the ver…

I think you have it backward. It's not about how long after you think of clicking do the action happen, it's how long after you did click can your brain start to see the result on screen. With that 100 ms you mention, and let's add another 100ms by the software, you get 200 ms between the time your brain wants to click and the time it start receiving a visual response (assuming that part is immediate, which it is not). It is actually a big selling point of google chrome, while a lot of it isn't really that much faster, it do seems instant and firefox does not (at least for some people, including me).

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

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post #17
post #8

Isn't the development cycle a bit too fast. 4 major versions in a single year.

Why? Major versions are just a number. How many major versions of Chrome were there last year? I haven't looked it up but I bet it was more than 4.

Google Chrome version number is meaningless as told by Google itself: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/11/google-chromes-vers...

This doesn't however mean that other browsers too have meaningless version numbers.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#24

Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome. Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rap…

Chrome auto-updates and generally always looks the same. I can't imagine why anyone -- users or developers -- would care what version number it's up to.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

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post #11

"the main focus of Firefox development in 2011, is to make sure there is no more than 50ms between any user interaction and feedback from the browser" Quite surprised to see this, judging from the fact that empirically the average human brain-hand response is around 200 ms. Only in competitive CS have i seen network latency in a non-LAN setting makes a difference in that scenario, but only when you are not on the ver…

Brain-hand response is not the same thing as a perceived delay. Once latency becomes greater than 50ms, it becomes human noticeable -- aka "not instant." Given that UI response isn't used to trigger human reflexes, you are just misunderstanding the intent.

From my first hand experience in FPS gaming in non-amateur settings the vast majority of average users will not be able to notice a (say) 50 ms difference in UI responsiveness. I covered that when talking about network latency in my previous post.

Of course this is just my experience, scientific findings may very well dispute my ignorance.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#26

Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome. Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rap…

Yeah, this is what I wrote about last week.

Until now, every version of Firefox had significant changes -- visual changes, changes to the way you interact with the browser.

It now sounds like Firefox will follow Chrome. It will keep the same UI, and simply add new features.

Which is fair enough, I guess, if the browser is to become the next platform (for Web apps). It's time for the browser to 'fade' into the background, to give Web apps focus; to empower the apps, rather than interfere with their operation -- much like any other OS!

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#27

Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome. Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rap…

I doubt that the Chromium authors are concerned about trying to catch IE by having a larger version number. Their development calendar (https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/calen...) looks as though they have a rigid two-month schedule per version number.

I myself am already running version 11 (screenshot: http://jhn.me/4RYO) via their nightly builds.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#28
post #11

"the main focus of Firefox development in 2011, is to make sure there is no more than 50ms between any user interaction and feedback from the browser" Quite surprised to see this, judging from the fact that empirically the average human brain-hand response is around 200 ms. Only in competitive CS have i seen network latency in a non-LAN setting makes a difference in that scenario, but only when you are not on the ver…

In addition to the other points, you need some engineering buffer anyhow. Whatever system they are testing this number on, it probably won't be the bottom of the line they want Firefox to run on, and even if it is you still want good responsiveness anyhow. Because of the wide variance in the systems that run Firefox, this is probably less a principled number coming out of extensive research than a line in the sand. But a line in the sand is fine.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#29

Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome. Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rap…

I doubt that the Chromium authors are concerned about trying to catch IE by having a larger version number. Their development calendar ( https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/calen... ) looks as though they have a rigid two-month schedule per version number. I myself am already running version 11 (screenshot: http://jhn.me/4RYO ) via their nightly builds.

But why have they chosen to version their software like this, in contrast to every other browser? They could have gone with even numbered point releases.

Re: Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 to be released before the end of 2011

#30
post #24

Sounds like the main story is that they're redefining what a major version number means a la Chrome. Chrome's numbers are not in the same scale as FF and IE too, of course. Users can't tell the difference between Chrome 6 and 7 like one can distinguish FF 2 and 3, or IE 6 and 7. I wonder, though, if Google was just trying to catch IE in version number with Chrome and once it's at 10, they'll stop increasing it so rap…

Chrome auto-updates and generally always looks the same. I can't imagine why anyone -- users or developers -- would care what version number it's up to.

Exactly. In the ideal world, I would simply create a web app, and it would run on all browsers. No more keeping 3 VMs just to do some browser testing. Alas, until there is a high enough price for not following the standard to the letter, we won't see this happen.
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