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Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Post by torgian »

609venezia wrote: post #35
torgian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up to 50k there’s no problems. But, above 50k I’m gonna end up emptying my glycogen storage.

You might enjoy Attia on distance cycling while in nutritional ketosis: https://peterattiamd.com/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist/ (like you, he eats carbs when riding long distances--even with the aim of staying in ketosis)

This was a very interesting read. I’ve never gotten this in depth with my nutrition before. I’m beginning to think I might want to look more into a keto style diet.

I eat a lot of carbs ( mostly clean, veges and fruits ) and cook most of my food at home. I’ve been maintaining weight but haven’t really lost much fat.

I know my diet is the reason, so the answer is probably to reduce carbs and increase the proteins. Perhaps try for a longer intermittent fast.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Post by close04 »

Gatsky wrote: post #88
monkmartinez wrote: post #14

Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

Yeah... there are no nutritional absolute truths unfortunately. Some people have high LDL that is relatively resistant to lifestyle intervention, probably due to genetics. At least there is the option to take a cholesterol lowering drug. I don't know the size and strength of the beer you are drinking, but maybe you could try cutting that out.

Both beers are usually 0.33l and ~5-9% alcohol depending on the type (I'd guess the 7-8% versions are the ones in question).

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Post by wirrbel »

everdev wrote: post #47
joelrunyon wrote: post #2

If people are interested in learning more about fasting, I put together a few visual guides on it here - http://impossiblehq.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting I also highly recommend the zero fasting app for tracking. Super simple and really clean app that makes tracking fasts simple. Start small and see how it goes. I find the 16/8 routine tends to work best for me personally with 36 hour fasts sprinkled in every c…

Do you find that you're able to do cognitively demanding tasks while fasting? Even small fasts seem to sap my concentration and critical thinking. Once I eat again I feel like I think better.

I do multi day fasts (water Ott broth fasts, so no carbs) and once I am in ketosis I actually feel like I can concentrate as well as when I eat.

It's key to not refeed carbs at all during fasting (no juices, honey, etc).

I also occasionally do keto between the fasts which might have helped my metabolism switching to ketosis more quickly.

Ketosis is - in brief - a metabolic state where the body primarily used fats to burn for energy. Our bodies are perfectly suited to operate on ketosis. But this is only reached if glycogens are completely burned which means to u need to avoid refeeding carbs entirely.

Basically it is simpler to eat nothing at all, than to eat at a caloric deficit.

Think of it this way: our bodies have evolutionarily adapted to be able to live off our fat reserves (when overweight).

I recommend reading material or watching videos of Dr. Jason Fung, a Canadian nephrologist who makes compelling well-sourced arguments and explanations.

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Post by GistNoesis »

DailyHN wrote: post #119
GistNoesis wrote: post #118

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Are you sure ? Targeting fasting people with ads at the right time of day is probably very lucrative. You can probably be sure that once algorithms pick-up that if some fasting people are more prone to click on ads they will push more people to try intermittent fasting regardless of the effects on health.

How can that be lucrative?

It's just leveraging the information you have on the user. That's what marketing companies do all day long. Bidding for ad spots in the marketplace and putting the right product at the right time in front of your eyes. Putting the ad of a local restaurant in front of a hungry man will result in more clicks than if the man is not as hungry, and more clicks than putting a pair of shoes.

You can probably also up sell your products if you detect your customer is not playing his A-game. A hungry mind will typically explore less options and be more prone to risky behavior. It's probably something inherited from thousands of years of evolution, when you are hungry and there is a potential reward you take more chances, you don't think and you go get it.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Post by wirrbel »

Gatsky wrote: post #105
agumonkey wrote: post #100

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Surely people can make money around it. You cannot sell a void [0] but you can very effectively sell void consulting and magazines. [0] even this is debatable

I was brainstorming with a friend about creating an alternative social environment to replace restaurants for fasters, but couldn't come up with any good ideas.

Sauna-like locations, specifically something like tepidāria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepidarium would be my idea. Warm rooms, water and salts being offered.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Post by wirrbel »

monkmartinez wrote: post #14

Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

Did you still drink beer when doing IF? I think it may be worth trying IF again then without he beer consumption. Beer contains carbs and will thus increase your insulin levels and the alcohol will delay processing of carbs in your liver thus delaying the onset of fasting.

Also vegetarian diets are often carb-heavy and a major health benefit of fasting is the absence of carbs.

I am more of a multi day fasting person tbh. Fasting for two days and three nights surely is successful with me.

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Post by alanwil2 »

Gatsky wrote: post #83

Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. This gives it an inherent legitimacy. Contrast all other fad diets, and essentially every supplement ever sold.

How can I make a fasting cookbook? The fasting gets results. What I like about fasting is that a person can't get into an argument on the Internet with a troll about what foods a person can eat and which are not apart of the diet. Are potatoes Paleo or not?

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Post by adamqureshi »

I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I have been on the intermittent fasting thing for about 6 months. I started with 14 hours then 16 hours and now 18-20 hour fast. I dropped 10 pounds. I have a history of diabetes in my family. I took the 28andME DNA test and it said i have a predisposition to diabetes. The doc said to me. You have pre-diabetes just continue to workout and watch what you eat and your insurance does not cover a dietician and then that was it. It was VERY HARD to not eat in morning (black coffee) and after 1 month i got used to , it was very hard to skip lunch and after a few weeks i got used to that. Now now my feeding window is 4pm-8pm. I was pigging out at 4pm but have learned to control that. I workout in a fasted stated 12-1pm ( body weight , pullups. push-ups. 1 mile sprint HIIT and planks) I still get hunger pangs around 3pm its as if my body is getting ready to feed / knows food is coming around 4pm. Another thing that has happened is water tastes "sweeter" very unusual to actually taste water. The result for me is EVERYTHING has improved. I am 48 years old. No more carb fog. No more headaches. I think, i don't know buy i have this clarity i think my eye site has improved too. I mean Im still experimenting but i just feel fantastic. I will be getting blood work done again soon. It's working for me , i don't know if it will work for others. I tell everyone about it. Good LUCKY! :-)
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