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On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Why is this here?

20-something year old technology tinkerer interests often broaden as the tinkerers gain repeated experience with the non-tech portion of the world. To connect it to technology, statistics & economics could be used to evaluate the counterfactual property valuation should historical status for the home had never been declared.

You could make that claim about any random article from Reddit.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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What amazes me is that they have the gall to do this against the wishes of the owners. In a few years Amazon will buy the place as a "good will" gesture.

The owners would never sell to Amazon. They still own the building outright, they are just now saddled with additional bureaucracy for e.g. structural improvements and modifications

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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If preservationists want a building to stay as is, they should buy it. Otherwise they have no business dictating how others use their property.

NYC has learned the hard way that there should be some preservation; destroying/modifying a building is a one-way act, and over a long enough time horizon someone will eventually make a bad decision that everyone regrets later. See for example Penn Station: a beautiful landmark that was demolished by a real estate company because they deemed it too expensive to maintain. In the act they created a horrible black mark on the city.

There are arguments to be made on both sides, this isn't a black and white issue. The history of preservation is fascinating. Especially after Penn Station's demolition, NYC went through a big debate on other landmarks like Grand Central: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/preservation-battle-g....

> While few doubted the significance of Grand Central, the terminal’s owners took issue with the law itself—how, they wondered, could it constitute anything other than an unreasonable violation of their rights as property owners? Preservationists like Onassis, working with groups like the Municipal Art Society, continued to insist that saving Grand Central and buildings like it wasn’t a mere real estate matter, but an issue of public good. On June 26, 1978, the United States Supreme Court agreed with them in Penn Central Transportation Co. vs. New York City, not just in regards to Grand Central but in the spirit of the Landmarks law itself...

In retrospect I don't think you could find a New Yorker who regrets that Grand Central was saved after seeing what Penn Station became.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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If preservationists want a building to stay as is, they should buy it. Otherwise they have no business dictating how others use their property.

NYC has learned the hard way that there should be some preservation; destroying/modifying a building is a one-way act, and over a long enough time horizon someone will eventually make a bad decision that everyone regrets later. See for example Penn Station: a beautiful landmark that was demolished by a real estate company because they deemed it too expensive to maintain. In the act they created a horrible black mark…

The problem with Penn Station's destruction isn't the destruction itself, it's that the building that replaced it is so hideous. Most historic buildings aren't valuable because they're historic, they're valuable because they're beautiful. We can still build beautiful buildings again, but with modern materials and code. Modern buildings don't have to be soulless abstract nightmares.

I'd much rather have codes that require a particular aesthetic on a site than try to retain a particular object building in perpetuity.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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If preservationists want a building to stay as is, they should buy it. Otherwise they have no business dictating how others use their property.

NYC has learned the hard way that there should be some preservation; destroying/modifying a building is a one-way act, and over a long enough time horizon someone will eventually make a bad decision that everyone regrets later. See for example Penn Station: a beautiful landmark that was demolished by a real estate company because they deemed it too expensive to maintain. In the act they created a horrible black mark…

You're mis-interpreting Bostonian's argument. He said not that preservation is bad but that the city ought to buy the building. We've got eminent domain for a reason: the state can't force someone to keep his building the same for the pleasure of the public. What it _can_ do is pay him a fair market value, via eminent domain, to maintain it as a public good. That's the right thing to do, rather than saddling the owner with the upkeep and tanking the value with no compensation.

Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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Not an effective website as a passerby.

I'm unfamiliar with both the Strand and the landmarking process. It took me to the third screenful of text to figure out why The Strand doesn't want to be designated a landmark,

For every repair and every upgrade, The Strand would have to go through the slow bureaucracy of the Landmarks Preservation Commission which adds to the expanses to keep Strand alive.

This type of information should be at the top of the page.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

20-something year old technology tinkerer interests often broaden as the tinkerers gain repeated experience with the non-tech portion of the world. To connect it to technology, statistics & economics could be used to evaluate the counterfactual property valuation should historical status for the home had never been declared.

You could make that claim about any random article from Reddit.

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Re: On June 11th, the Strand was designated a landmark

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What amazes me is that they have the gall to do this against the wishes of the owners. In a few years Amazon will buy the place as a "good will" gesture.

For those that don't know, Netflix recently bought and reopened New York City’s iconic Paris Theater (ostensibly to host limited showings of Netflix Original films so they're eligible for Academy Awards):

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/25/20982216/netflix-paris-t...

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