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Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

The hype around intermittent fasting is nothing more than the novice effect & the diminishing returns kick in pretty fast.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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I’d like to fast until lunch time but I haven’t found any substitute for milk in coffee and I fear that breaks any fasting benefits.

Just learn to like black coffee. It's an acquired taste but once you acquire it, it's easy to do.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long are your rides? For rides around an hour to an hour and a half I can ride while fasting, even at the end of an 18 hour fast. The trick is to just work up to it.

Up to 50k there’s no problems. But, above 50k I’m gonna end up emptying my glycogen storage.

You might enjoy Attia on distance cycling while in nutritional ketosis: https://peterattiamd.com/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist/

(like you, he eats carbs when riding long distances--even with the aim of staying in ketosis)

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

Assuming this is accurate, your lifestyle is not typical. Others trying intermittent fasting and/or vegetarian diet will surely see benefits in blood work.

> will surely* see benefits

* may.

A) We don’t actually know this, because clinical trials extensive enough to prove it have never been done. B) There’s a lot of variation in humans. Betting that all people will respond the same to any intervention is a bad bet. Case in point: some people survive gunshot wounds to the head.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

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post #31

Slate Star Codex published an article investigating whether intermittent fasting extends lifespan, and found that the research is flawed: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/12/12/acc-does-calorie-restr...

Luckily, whether intermittent fasting will work for you is really easy to test with an N = 1 study where you are the 1.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

#38
Related reading:

* “System-wide Benefits of Intermeal Fasting by Autophagy“: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(17)30608...

> We established an isocaloric twice-a-day (ITAD) feeding model wherein ITAD-fed mice consume the same food amount as ad libitum controls but at two short windows early and late in the diurnal cycle. We hypothesized that ITAD feeding will provide two intervals of intermeal fasting per circadian period and induce autophagy. We show that ITAD feeding modifies circadian autophagy and glucose/lipid metabolism that correlate with feeding-driven changes in circulating insulin. ITAD feeding decreases adiposity and, unlike CR, enhances muscle mass. ITAD feeding drives energy expenditure, lowers lipid levels, suppresses gluconeogenesis, and prevents age/obesity-associated metabolic defects. Using liver-, adipose-, myogenic-, and proopiomelanocortin neuron-specific autophagy-null mice, we mapped the contribution of tissue-specific autophagy to system-wide benefits of ITAD feeding. Our studies suggest that consuming two meals a day without CR could prevent the metabolic syndrome.

* “Short-term fasting induces profound neuronal autophagy“: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/

> We first validate the approach by showing that it allows the identification and characterization of autophagosomes in the livers of food-restricted mice. We use the method to identify constitutive autophagosomes in cortical neurons and Purkinje cells, and we show that short-term fasting leads to a dramatic upregulation in neuronal autophagy.

> …

> Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response.

Re: Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease [pdf]

#40

Anecdote: I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly. Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame.…

I was vegetarian for about a decade and during that time my cholesterol was too low such that my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL. I saved the voicemail he left and it was a running joke that I had a prescription for the bar. The moment I started eating meat again my levels went back up.

My doctor has always said I was overweight but in the last couple years I added an extra 30lbs due lack of routine exercise. This summer I started doing intermittent fasting from 9pm-noon and quickly lost the extra 30lbs of weight but I seemed to have plateaued and haven't lost anymore. I'm 6'5" and my ideal weight is 190lbs, I have always hovered around 200.

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