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Interviewing for startups : are formal cover letters + suits necessary, neutral, or harmful?

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Interviewing for startups : are formal cover letters + suits necessary, neutral, or harmful?

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When one is applying to a startup of less than 20 people, is it necessary to use a formal cover letter, or will a simple, polite email do? I dislike cover letters because they feel extremely artificial. In my CL template, I end up talking about how, in high school, I woke up at 5:00 am to practice for contest math tests (e.g. USAMO). It makes me sound impressive and hard-working to HR people, but as I'm 25 and that was in HS, this sort of detail is completely irrelevant to whether or not I can write code.

Also, is it a good idea to wear a suit for a startup interview, or is this over-the-top or absurd? I'm afraid that overdressing might make it appear like I don't know how to interview for startups or, worse yet, type-cast me as similar to the species of douchebag college kid that generally applies for I-banking positions.

If it's not necessary to use cover letters and wear suits for startups, the next question is: where does one draw the line? How does one determine in advance whether or not an interview necessitates a suit?

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#2
In my CL template, I end up talking about how, in high school, I woke up at 5:00 am to practice for contest math tests

Take that out. It doesn't matter what sort of job you're applying for -- the words "high school" should never appear in the resume or cover letter of anyone who has a college degree.

As for the rest: Dress like the job you want to have, not like the job you're applying for. If I was applying for a management position at a bank (not that I can imagine why I'd ever do that, but hypothetically...) I'd still turn up for an interview wearing a t-shirt and jeans. If my apparel wasn't up to standard, that would be an indication that the job I was applying for wasn't actually a job I wanted -- and being not offered the job would simply save me the trouble of quitting after a few weeks.

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#3
These things depend on location. Where are you? Here's how things work in SV.

Cover letter is exceptionally useful. It should explain in simple English why you are qualified for this particular job, highlighting relevant experience and showing that you actually bothered to figure out what this job/company is about. Doing this well is a huge advantage. At your level 1 out of 100 applicants will do it right. Cover letter should be just natural part of the body of the email and be in plain text. It should not be formal.

Suit with no tie is appropriate if you are interviewing for a job of CEO. Suit with a tie is never appropriate. This is different on east coast.

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#4
You'd do well to wear a suit to any job interview. Programmer or not, startup or not, walking into an interview in a suit conveys a sense of professionalism. First impressions are hard to change. So start off well.

Also, I'd take the advice of those who who say "Wear sandals and a t-shirt" with a grain of salt - I suspect that the majority of people who give that advice are not (and haven't ever been) in a position to hire.

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post #3

These things depend on location. Where are you? Here's how things work in SV. Cover letter is exceptionally useful. It should explain in simple English why you are qualified for this particular job, highlighting relevant experience and showing that you actually bothered to figure out what this job/company is about. Doing this well is a huge advantage. At your level 1 out of 100 applicants will do it right. Cover lett…

I've always thought for most hackers that the only thing you'll need aside from a shirt and jeans is your brain.

B.Y.O.B.

:)

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post #3

These things depend on location. Where are you? Here's how things work in SV. Cover letter is exceptionally useful. It should explain in simple English why you are qualified for this particular job, highlighting relevant experience and showing that you actually bothered to figure out what this job/company is about. Doing this well is a huge advantage. At your level 1 out of 100 applicants will do it right. Cover lett…

I'm in New York, where dress is a bit more formal due to the Wall Street sphere of influence. However, the position I have in mind has nothing to do with finance.

What defines a good and bad cover letter, in your opinion? What mistakes do the writers of the 99 bad cover letters make?

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#7
I've never interviewed in a suit, and I've been offered every job I've managed to get to the interview stage for. The most I've worn is formal shirt, slacks, nice shoes, and a tie, and that was once for a temp agency (and it was probably too much), another time for an event production company (it was DEFINITELY way too much), and a video game QA company (I could have worn less but it didn't seem to matter).

The event production company was pretty close to being a startup, and it was clear from the moment the door opened and I saw the place and the employees that I was overdressed.

I don't remember what I wore to interview for the video game company I worked for a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't too fancy. If I was interviewing for a startup with less than twenty employees, I'd be pretty comfortable showing up in jeans and a collared shirt of some sort.

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post #2

In my CL template, I end up talking about how, in high school, I woke up at 5:00 am to practice for contest math tests Take that out. It doesn't matter what sort of job you're applying for -- the words "high school" should never appear in the resume or cover letter of anyone who has a college degree. As for the rest: Dress like the job you want to have, not like the job you're applying for. If I was applying for a ma…

"Dress like the job you want to have, not like the job you're applying for."

Very nice. Put into words my vaguely-formed concept of why I won't be pulling out the suit for future interviews.

For interviews, the best advice I've heard is to remember that you're evaluating them as much as they are you. If they demand/care that you dress a certain way, perhaps it's a good sign you don't want to work there (unless you're into that kind of thing).

I have read posts that hint at a bit of hypocrisy in startups, though: "We wear t-shirts because clothes don't matter, but if you wear a suit you're unfit for startup hacker life." Bear that in mind if you really LOVE wearing suits. :P

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post #2

In my CL template, I end up talking about how, in high school, I woke up at 5:00 am to practice for contest math tests Take that out. It doesn't matter what sort of job you're applying for -- the words "high school" should never appear in the resume or cover letter of anyone who has a college degree. As for the rest: Dress like the job you want to have, not like the job you're applying for. If I was applying for a ma…

Agreed on taking out high school. I'm 28 and recently began taking out all references to college as well a couple years ago (my resume lists my degrees).

I agree dress like the job you want to have, but I disagree with the t-shirt bit. I've worked at 4 different companies, and always show up wearing professional, clean clothes to my interview (suit and tie the first time, since then just button down shirts and dress pants or khakis).

The t-shirt and jeans can wait until you've proven yourself for a few months. I go to work now in shorts and a t-shirt, so this isn't some sour grapes rant. Though I dress casual for work, given a choice between two identical, impeccably groomed, candidates one who came professionally dressed and one who came in shorts and a t-shirt (and that being the only difference), I would be likely to hire the one who came like he was here to interview.

Of course, I would hire someone casually dressed who knows their stuff over an idiot who happens to be wearing a suit, but I don't think there's any reason to put yourself at a disadvantage. Don't overdress, don't underdress - wear clothes appropriate for the interview.

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#10
Suits harmful (although only nominally). The suit says, "I mostly interview at places where suits matter".

Cover letters extremely valuable. Cover letter says, "I gave your company 5 minutes of thought before I clicked the button that sent my resume".

Best possible thing you can do prior to an interview? As in, the single best possible thing you can ever do that will raise your chances more than anything else you do? Research the company. Hardcore. Everyone who worked there, everything those people have done, and on and on. Come in knowing everything about them, and armed with a litany of questions.

#1 criteria for hiring: smart, gets things done, competant.

#2 criteria for hiring: committed to working here.

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