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CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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Just for interest sake, do you ever read news on the internet, and if so how do you pay for it? I personally read a lot of news online, most of it is such utter trash that I would not want to pay for it. I have paid for some specific sites intermittently - currently I pay about $20 USD a month to one specific content creator that produces news content - but that is mostly because it is rather niche news that nobody e…

Websites don't need to use personalized ads.

Thats an odd thing to say. Websites don't need to allow free access either. I can't comment on any particular revenue model but I imagine many websites chose personalized ads as they provide better revenue returns than non-personalized ads.

would switching to non-personalized advertisements without taking additional steps support the website enough? Maybe but its hard to say one way or the other without looking at the data.

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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Websites don't need to use personalized ads.

Thats an odd thing to say. Websites don't need to allow free access either. I can't comment on any particular revenue model but I imagine many websites chose personalized ads as they provide better revenue returns than non-personalized ads. would switching to non-personalized advertisements without taking additional steps support the website enough? Maybe but its hard to say one way or the other without looking at th…

Correct, they don't have to offer free access. What they do need to do is pick a business model that is legal in countries they wish to operate in. Things like GDPR doesn't prevent ads. Maybe they make less money off non-personalized ads, but companies can't do whatever they want just because they make more money that way. I don't find it odd that laws can hamper the revenue of certain business models.

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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Never understood the cookie popups mess. I remember back in the ages of internet explorer it showed a popup when a site tried to use cookies, why do the sites need to implement the cookie popups rather than let the users configure it in their browsers?

Because browsers make it an all or nothing setting (all, 1st party, none) and there are many more combinations. On top of that, the laws are there to prevent companies from tracking people at will, and the DNT header that was supposed to make that an easy browser setting completely failed.

> Because browsers make it an all or nothing setting (all, 1st party, none)

At least for Firefox this is not the case. Anyway, extensions like uMatrix exist.

> the DNT header

The DNT header is yet another way for sites to track you. I am glad it failed.

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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In its current form, ccpa is useless. The companies will just demand all personal data for any purpose or deny access.

Under CCPA, businesses do not "demand" data because there is no restriction on its collection. Businesses simply need to provide notice of what they collect.

Consumers cannot opt out of this collection.

Consumers do have the option to opt out of having their personal information resold to third parties. The CCPA then specifically restricts businesses from withholding services or providing you with reduced services as penalty for this opt-out.

CCPA may not be perfect or even well-explained, but it's a first step in a positive direction within the United States. I think it's unfair to call it "useless".

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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This is not a good thing indeed, because it's terribly naive. Passing a law that more or less forbid huge companies the very same activity that gets them the bread and butter. What are they expecting to happen? That the companies will surrender their business, just as that?

Yeah, that's basically how it should happen. In California, there's ample precedent for taking products off of the market when they're shown to harm consumers, and if that happens to kill off manufacturers who aren't diversified, then so be it. Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA?

Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA?

My point is that there's no chance it will happen. Any fallout will be just a new burden to users.

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Well, disposing of excrement in the street was a normal part of life in many cities. Now that rules about that are not enforced in California, it's becoming dangerous to simply walk in some parts of it.

I think you are confusing individual cities with the state as a whole. This is also far more of an issue with lack of resources rather than a general policy. San Francisco's homeless issue has a lot to do with the fact that tolerance is not equally spread across the nation. If every city was equally tolerant, there wouldn't necessarily be more homeless total, but they'd be more evenly spread out across the nation. As…

Yeah I'm sure the homeless in New Jersey buy themselves plane tickets to SFO because the weather is better and nobody kicks them off the sidewalk where they would prefer to lay. Blame everyone else for San Francisco problems...

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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This article makes it sound like this entire industry wasn’t deliberately set up and developed by corporations for years. They know exactly what they’re doing and they know exactly how to turn the whole thing off.

What entire industry? The internet affects everyone.

The industry that sells your info to the highest bidder.

Re: CCPA goes into effect January 1, but nobody’s sure how the new rules work

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I think you are confusing individual cities with the state as a whole. This is also far more of an issue with lack of resources rather than a general policy. San Francisco's homeless issue has a lot to do with the fact that tolerance is not equally spread across the nation. If every city was equally tolerant, there wouldn't necessarily be more homeless total, but they'd be more evenly spread out across the nation. As…

Yeah I'm sure the homeless in New Jersey buy themselves plane tickets to SFO because the weather is better and nobody kicks them off the sidewalk where they would prefer to lay. Blame everyone else for San Francisco problems...

It's not blaming, but it does explain a lot of what is going on.

Regardless I looked at enough of your past postings to decide you aren't the kind I'd like to engage with further. Good bye.

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