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A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by petervandijck »

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #45
zone411 wrote: post #30

I'm sorry but I have big problems with calling DDG a real search engine. Their page states "DuckDuckGo is a search engine like Google." BS. It's a meta search engine that relies on other real search engines, such as Bing, to get the results. If ever becomes a threat to Bing, they'll cut them off in a second. DDG doesn't do the hard and resource-intensive work of crawling and ranking the pages, they just tweak the res…

For the record, I've been crawling the Web since the beginning of DDG (and before the BOSS or the Bing APIs existed). Yes, a one FTE, self-funded search engine, does not have the capacity to spend millions of dollars on crawling (does Google spend billions?). I now focus my crawling efforts where I see they can add significant value, namely on spam removal and zero-click info. Our index actually shows the top result…

Being dismissed as a "toy" is probably the best thing that could happen to DDG right now, and for the foreseeable future. They're searching for an angle against Google, a way in. They may well find one (although it's a tough battle).

Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by epi0Bauqu »

dschobel wrote: post #47
epi0Bauqu wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is Matt_Cutts, moultano, nostrademons (Google employees) et al. are all over DDG threads, but weren't on Cuil ones as much, e.g. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=258737 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1255122 . I agree though, that DDG is a blip -- a teeny tiny blip in the search engine market -- so, quite frankly, I'm not sure why they care so much, or at all.

I think the difference in engagement by those guys is that Cuil was trying to be stealth and downplay the hype of being "google 2.0 by ex-googlers" whereas your marketing has been squarely aimed at them.

Intentions aside, Cuil was presented as a "Google killer" to orders of more people than know about DDG. But higher level, I don't think DDG warrants their engagement at all. There are much bigger fish to fry, so-to-speak, and yet I don't see them on all the higher profile search engine stories out there across the Internet.

Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by bryanh »

InfinityX0 wrote: post #25
bryanh wrote: post #24

DDG is supplanting labor intensive algorithmic improvements with manually manicured search results. Compared to Google's vast network of resources, it is a logical step for DDG to take. It is, essentially, a fast fix to a real problem. Google has to do things the hard (and dare I say... proper?) way.

DDG is supplanting labor intensive algorithmic improvements with manually manicured search results. This sentence is a paradox.

Of course by manicuring search results I mean blacklisting domains.

Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by ddemchuk »

ddemchuk wrote: post #3

google's not going to do anything because they're in the business of making money off of search and duckduckgo is not

wait, what? Am I wrong in saying that google is not in the business of making money? They're making a damn killing off of search traffic.

Duckduckgo is not. They're getting press for being defiant.

Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by ddemchuk »

JackHerrick wrote: post #7
ddemchuk wrote: post #3

google's not going to do anything because they're in the business of making money off of search and duckduckgo is not

I actually have a lot of faith in Google to do the right thing for their users. After all they mostly walked away, or at least severely hampered their business in China. They will be more than willing to walk away from sites their users think are low quality. I'm not saying that this means they will do the exact same thing DDG did. I'm just saying any decisions they make will be primarily based on looking out for the…

what about your statement is supported by their actual actions in the recent years? who are their actual customers, searchers or adwords bidders? They simply need to provide a decent enough search experience to keep users coming back so they can keep adwords bidders participating. It's their entire business model.

Re: A Duck & a Wiki Team Up Against the Content Farms

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Post by estel »

ddemchuk wrote: post #66
ddemchuk wrote: post #3

google's not going to do anything because they're in the business of making money off of search and duckduckgo is not

wait, what? Am I wrong in saying that google is not in the business of making money? They're making a damn killing off of search traffic. Duckduckgo is not. They're getting press for being defiant.

No, but you're implying that DDG either has no plans to make money (which is possible, if rather a short-lived plan) or will remain small enough to be reliant entirely on Gabriel's day job.

DDG is a search engine that's using its search to make money. Just like Google.

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