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Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by varjag »

Smithalicious wrote: post #110
aasasd wrote: post #65

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For starters, where do you see that the apps can be uninstalled? Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system? Secondly, pretending that this is an independent event and that the government, Duma, courts and police have a shred of good will after what they were doing for the last ten–twenty years, is so laughable that your insistence on that interpretation is baffl…

>Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system Why are you adding this restriction? Rooting or replacing the system are totally valid of getting rid of these things.

These are totally out of reach of 99,99% phone users skills, and providing services for that would quickly be outlawed.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by varjag »

capdeck wrote: post #106
viraptor wrote: post #71

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> 3. Halt foreign online payments That is extremely unlikely to happen. Payments, banking, investment will be always connected, or placed abroad in the required way. At least for important enough transactions - probably not Amazon, but stock trades...

>> 3. Halt foreign online payments > That is extremely unlikely to happen. That's what very much has already happened. Visa and MasterCard pulled their services a few years ago after another set of US sanctions. Also, if you are a business and using SWIFT to transact - US has the final say what you can and can not do. So now Russia has it's own payment card system MiR and working with China, India and even Iran on al…

Visa and MasterCard services are available in Russia. They do not operate in Russian occupied Crimea.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by marcthe12 »

Smithalicious wrote: post #110
aasasd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For starters, where do you see that the apps can be uninstalled? Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system? Secondly, pretending that this is an independent event and that the government, Duma, courts and police have a shred of good will after what they were doing for the last ten–twenty years, is so laughable that your insistence on that interpretation is baffl…

>Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system Why are you adding this restriction? Rooting or replacing the system are totally valid of getting rid of these things.

You have unlock the bootloader. The govt could easily ban that.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by int_19h »

everdev wrote: post #20
azangru wrote: post #10

> Details of what the test involved were vague So we don’t know what exactly they tested. Why is this news, let alone an international one? Also, as far as I understand, what the Russians were officially saying was that they were developing fallback systems for the event if, in another bout of sanctions, Russia gets disconnected from the global internet. Which, given their standing with the international community, m…

> the journalists present this story as Russia's voluntary step towards isolating itself from the global internet. I am not sure why. Some potential benefits to Russia: 1. Thwart cyber attacks 2. Control information 3. Halt foreign online payments There are of course downsides, but I think the original premise was security in the event of war / aggression.

Whenever Russia talks about "national security", you have to understand that this is a country that considers e.g. NGOs that receive any foreign funding (even non-state!) to be an infringement of said security.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by [deleted] »

marcthe12 wrote: post #133
Smithalicious wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system Why are you adding this restriction? Rooting or replacing the system are totally valid of getting rid of these things.

You have unlock the bootloader. The govt could easily ban that.

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by int_19h »

mycall wrote: post #89
baybal2 wrote: post #86

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Using encrypted VOIP will not do anything about SS7 hacks, as it will be your voice calls and SMSes that get rerouted, and remotely MIMed

You did answer, MITM doesn't work for Signal and WhatsApp, correct?

You could MITM Signal if you control the cell towers on either end. It would be visible, because the security number would change. But in my experience helping people set it up, very few users understand what those numbers are for, and what it means when they change. Most just mark them as verified immediately.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by int_19h »

SimplePotato wrote: post #63

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"Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible."

George Orwell, 1944

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by Smithalicious »

varjag wrote: post #131
Smithalicious wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system Why are you adding this restriction? Rooting or replacing the system are totally valid of getting rid of these things.

These are totally out of reach of 99,99% phone users skills, and providing services for that would quickly be outlawed.

A good 50% of phone users could probably do it without assistance, and people can always have someone else do it. Rooting a phone is really not difficult, simpler than installing windows xp used to be.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by conistonwater »

macintux wrote: post #83
conistonwater wrote: post #79

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> the West was openly contemplating disconnecting Russia from the international payment services This is a claim made by the Russian government with little actual support as far as I know. It comes up every once in a while when the issue is mentioned, and is usually uncritically accepted.

> In September 2014, the European Parliament urged member states to consider excluding Russia from SWIFT as part of its sanctions. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/01/27/russia-to-... I don't know that statement's veracity, but it seems credible.

I now looked a bit into it, thanks for the link. I think it would make a big difference if that was a credible threat by the parliament, or if it was some random grandstanding by a politician. Given that the idea was not discussed again (all references to the issue are to the same resolution, it seems, AFAICT), it is quite likely that (a) the idea was not serious, and (b) it gave the Russian government an excuse. If it's being used as an excuse then there's no point in taking it as a serious threat to Russian national security the way some people do. The Russian government is very fond of portraying itself as a victim of the West, so some skepticism is warranted.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by varjag »

Smithalicious wrote: post #138
varjag wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are totally out of reach of 99,99% phone users skills, and providing services for that would quickly be outlawed.

A good 50% of phone users could probably do it without assistance, and people can always have someone else do it. Rooting a phone is really not difficult, simpler than installing windows xp used to be.

Most people could probably ride a unicycle, it's just another thing that's not going to happen.
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