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Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#91

Starlink will be a total game changer when it goes global.

I don't know about that. Nothing stops them from banning the sales of the ground station equipment.

It's probably not that difficult to manufacture and there will be a black market for the tech.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#92
post #50

Commentary about the exercises from Russian Telegram channel ЗаТелеком (Following Telecom) [1]. Found through link on Meduza.io Google Translate with some manual editing for clarity by me. 1: https://t.me/zatelecom # 1: https://t.me/zatelecom/13046 "I got and decoded some materials from today's meeting of the Ministry of Digital Affairs on the exercises. Something tells me either a closed regime or not closed regime…

I believe in recommendations number 5 ("Leave the market...") is also marked as [sunglasses], which makes it about equivalent to /s here.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#93
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No security is full proof, but they call it "hardening the target" when you reduce your attack surface.

Of course security is an obvious pretense for control. The way you actually reduce attack surface is to take the critical pieces off of it and minimize the paths to be watched, not the whole system. That would be like ensuring it is possible to close off all of the highways into Washington DC to response time for the three federal branches. If it was actually that damn important they would make and use secure tunnels…

> Of course security is an obvious pretense for control.

Russia doesn't need pretense for control.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#94
post #10

> Details of what the test involved were vague So we don’t know what exactly they tested. Why is this news, let alone an international one? Also, as far as I understand, what the Russians were officially saying was that they were developing fallback systems for the event if, in another bout of sanctions, Russia gets disconnected from the global internet. Which, given their standing with the international community, m…

"Why is this news"

The strategic implications are quite vast on a variety of levels: political, military, technical, economic.

The 'nationalisation' of the web into various national webs is a big deal.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about that. Nothing stops them from banning the sales of the ground station equipment.

It's probably not that difficult to manufacture and there will be a black market for the tech.

The situation when the Internet is a black market thing is a huge victory for the Russian authoritarian state.

They can afford to have 15% of the population with access to information and what not on the black market. The course of the country will be dictated by the beliefs of the other 85%, which will all buy into the 1000s of kaleidoscopic realities readily manufactured by Surkov & Co, and will all support every single action of the government.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#96

Russia is a kleptocracy and all these 'tests' are just another way to steal money. Kleptocratic billionaires can not keep being billionaires without such 'projects'.

Did you ever wonder where those former Soviet citizens - now oligarchs - picked up their capitalist skills?

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#97
post #15

How much Facebook and other tech giants will be affected by a fragmented internet? Is FB still a $600B company if they are prevalent only in the USA, UK and Canada? I wonder if this trend of closed borders limited information circulation could lead to the diminishing of companies that depend on the network effect and rise of the companies with hard tech.

Facebook and Amazon _never_ penetrated Russian market. Russian companies (e.g. Yandex, VK) dominate in their respective domestic niches. Yandex even bought out Uber's operations here.

Same for China.

It has always been that way.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#98
post #30

How do they handle corporate intranets? Normally I'd expect Globocorp to configure its intranet with, for example, a separate AS each for Germany and Russia. But the AS in Germany may be connected to the Russia AS via a 155 Mb/s leased line from Berlin to St Petersburg with BGP routers. The German AS may also connect via a corporate firewall to a public ISP in Germany, and the Russian AS to a public ISP in Russia. It…

I guess they would simply cut it in half by disconnecting the Russian ISP to the German one. Even VPNs stop being useful if all connections to the outside are severed.

They have the ability to redirect traffic to government controlled devices that isps have to support (they sometimes have nice DNS ptrs like DPI in them). The isps have to speak bgp to the govt boxes and they can announce large swaths of IP space to be redirected.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

#99
post #10

> Details of what the test involved were vague So we don’t know what exactly they tested. Why is this news, let alone an international one? Also, as far as I understand, what the Russians were officially saying was that they were developing fallback systems for the event if, in another bout of sanctions, Russia gets disconnected from the global internet. Which, given their standing with the international community, m…

It's a shame that they're forced to do this.
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