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French cities trying to ban public adverts

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Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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But how can businesses may become known? I see that maybe image ads are of the peacock feather type. Informative ads, like a new movie being out in theaters, can actually be net-positive financially, at the expense of the strain on public attention.

> how can businesses may become known? Some argue all advertising should be banned. If that were to occur, the search burden would shift to consumers. We'd subscribe to curators like the Consumer Report or Wirecutter , storekeepers, et cetera and let them do the searching on our behalf. This article considers something weaker. No public advertising. No billboards. Direct mail, storefront displays, in-store advertisin…

> Direct mail, storefront displays, in-store advertising, et cetera are still permitted.

Direct mail is the worst form of advertising, from a personal perspective and from an environmental perspective. You're littering directly onto others, and forcing them to deal with trash you created in the vain hope that some of them decide to act on that trash.

It all ought to be marked "Return To Sender" and placed back into the mail stream, so the original sender has to deal with disposal. Forcing entities to internalize negative externalities is the only way to stop them from creating those externalities to begin with.

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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Quite simply, advertising is visual pollution; whether it be on large billboards, on bus stops or freestanding in the middle of the sidewalk. It's visual pollution and it has ruined our towns and cities. I'm excited to read this article and see that people are taking a stand.

It's a much more literal form of pollution in mailboxes.

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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Meanwhile, there are resources available for people who are stuck in areas of high visual pollution, which require only a small investment in tools and mindfulness of personal safety.

http://brandalism.ch/take-action/ http://www.billboardliberation.com/ArtAndScience-BLF.pdf http://www.billboardliberation.com/

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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I agree with you. And I suspect 9 out of 10 doctors do as well. I want to neuter advertising more than anything, but I can't think of any kind of "rule" we could establish that would make public mind hacking illegal.

you don't need any hardcoded rules. When in doubt have a local municipal office or whatever decide whether to take down ads or not based on residential complaints. Consensus and some common sense and case by case judgement ought to be enough to decide whether ad placement is appropriate.

This doesn't work from a first amendment perspective. The town council is BFE, Mississippi is not going to approach its censor role in a fair way, for better or worse.

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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Quite simply, advertising is visual pollution; whether it be on large billboards, on bus stops or freestanding in the middle of the sidewalk. It's visual pollution and it has ruined our towns and cities. I'm excited to read this article and see that people are taking a stand.

The first time I started thinking about it that way was when I bought a book featuring a selection of Banksy's works [0]. In the opening pages it had a quote of him, making pretty much that point:

The public space is ours. It's not their for corporations. It's to be enjoyed by the people and if you want to come in with your hands full of money to make something else of it you can fuck right off. He's a true artist.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Wall-Piece-Banksy/dp/1844137872

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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It's kind of an open secret that the city of Santa Barbara (CA, US) has banned several forms of public outdoor advertising: we have no billboards, no promotional posters, no taxi toppers... It's delightful, and very high on my list of reasons why I enjoy living here. Every time I leave I'm reminded how noisy space is when it's filled with advertisements. I wholeheartedly recommend others advocate for similar policies…

Lots of places in America have severe restrictions on advertising. Hilton Head, South Carolina; and along the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey leap to mind. I think along some of the toll roads in Houston this is also true (It's been a while, I might be remembering that wrong). Billboards are banned in downtown Chicago, so big companies rent storefronts in tourist areas and put in stores that are not supposed to ma…

When the Edens Expressway was built, all of the wealthy north shore suburbs entered a pact to ban billboards. It’s so pleasant.

Re: French cities trying to ban public adverts

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For those who haven't been to Paris, there's moving/jittering electronic signs everywhere like something out of Minority Report. They're a distracting eyesore and should be banned.

Compared to most global city I've seen (NYC, Amsterdam, Zurich, German cities, Tokyo, Singapour, Bankgok, London...) I'd say Paris is of the least 'technological' kind.

It's actually so distinct that as a nerd I just don't feel 'home' in France, architecturally, culturally, compared to most comparable countries/cities on any continent. France feels somewhat stuck in time, which you may not be able to tell looking at all the smartphones and 1Gb fiber, but could glimpse at by talking with enough locals: they just don't like / trust / see value in high-tech in general, more like a threat / disturbance / forced upon them). Again, this is the feeling, the mindset, not 'reality' or 'objective truth' (the French are the same as everyone else in this regard, obviously; I'm talking about perceptions here, like the fact that the French are the most pessimistic on Earth despite their incredible relative wealth (less than 1% of the world's population for 3.25% GDP) and quality of life (GINI, whatever).

It's great that Paris and the French exists for those who'd rather live in a more 'vintage' environment (this can be said for a lot of European small/mid cities btw), but subjectively, France is everything but high-tech or 'nerdy' compared to Germany, UK, USA, Japan (probably topping it all), Korea, basically the world's top 10-15-20 countries (GDP per capita). Even Switzerland, which is very old-school in a lot of ways, feels more "21st century" than France in day-to-day living.

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