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Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by azangru »

aasasd wrote: post #31
azangru wrote: post #10

> Details of what the test involved were vague So we don’t know what exactly they tested. Why is this news, let alone an international one? Also, as far as I understand, what the Russians were officially saying was that they were developing fallback systems for the event if, in another bout of sanctions, Russia gets disconnected from the global internet. Which, given their standing with the international community, m…

> But the journalists present this story as Russia's voluntary step towards isolating itself from the global internet. I am not sure why. Because control over access to the web is a theme of lawmaking and enforcement here for almost ten years. This is not an isolated initiative. I'd also very much like to know what exactly the ‘test’ consisted of, but there's no doubt that Russian government dreams of having a Big Ru…

> Like e.g. having some government-mandated apps preinstalled on every phone sold here, which is coming into force in some following months.

It is the news the exact meaning of which is open to interpretation. Given that those pre-installed apps can be uninstalled, we should at least allow a possibility that rather than being an insidious tactic to spy on users this is simply a clumsy protectionist anti-competitive legislation to stimulate growth of local tech companies.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by Merrill »

dullgiulio wrote: post #39
Merrill wrote: post #30

How do they handle corporate intranets? Normally I'd expect Globocorp to configure its intranet with, for example, a separate AS each for Germany and Russia. But the AS in Germany may be connected to the Russia AS via a 155 Mb/s leased line from Berlin to St Petersburg with BGP routers. The German AS may also connect via a corporate firewall to a public ISP in Germany, and the Russian AS to a public ISP in Russia. It…

I guess they would simply cut it in half by disconnecting the Russian ISP to the German one. Even VPNs stop being useful if all connections to the outside are severed.

Disconnecting the Russian ISP to the German one doesn't disconnect the leased line internal to Globocorps intranet which connects the Gobalcorp intranets in Russia and Germany.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by aasasd »

azangru wrote: post #61
aasasd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the journalists present this story as Russia's voluntary step towards isolating itself from the global internet. I am not sure why. Because control over access to the web is a theme of lawmaking and enforcement here for almost ten years. This is not an isolated initiative. I'd also very much like to know what exactly the ‘test’ consisted of, but there's no doubt that Russian government dreams of having a Big Ru…

> Like e.g. having some government-mandated apps preinstalled on every phone sold here, which is coming into force in some following months. It is the news the exact meaning of which is open to interpretation. Given that those pre-installed apps can be uninstalled, we should at least allow a possibility that rather than being an insidious tactic to spy on users this is simply a clumsy protectionist anti-competitive l…

For starters, where do you see that the apps can be uninstalled? Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system?

Secondly, pretending that this is an independent event and that the government, Duma, courts and police have a shred of good will after what they were doing for the last ten–twenty years, is so laughable that your insistence on that interpretation is baffling and suggestive.

Even if by some miracle the apps are innocent at first, nothing prevents the FSB from slipping in different functionality after a year, or even in an update.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by dang »

ScottFree wrote: post #49
52-6F-62 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a gross generalization if I ever heard one. Both exist.

Your faith in your religion is touching. You keep believing, no matter the evidence.

Please don't cross into personal attack. It breaks the site guidelines and discredits your position.

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Post by ScottFree »

dang wrote: post #66
ScottFree wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your faith in your religion is touching. You keep believing, no matter the evidence.

Please don't cross into personal attack. It breaks the site guidelines and discredits your position. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

People on this site say far worse things about other religions all the time.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by dang »

ScottFree wrote: post #68
dang wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Post by stephen_g »

Merrill wrote: post #30

How do they handle corporate intranets? Normally I'd expect Globocorp to configure its intranet with, for example, a separate AS each for Germany and Russia. But the AS in Germany may be connected to the Russia AS via a 155 Mb/s leased line from Berlin to St Petersburg with BGP routers. The German AS may also connect via a corporate firewall to a public ISP in Germany, and the Russian AS to a public ISP in Russia. It…

It would be very unlikely that a company would publish that kind of route (it really should be filtered out) or allow traffic from outside the network to route through it.

Unless they are intending to provide transit, the only routes they would announce to peers in either country would be to their own network.

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