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Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by abhink »

bogomipz wrote: post #15
blue_box wrote: post #7

It is really easy to get a blue card. You just need a contract (higher than €42K) and diploma (which is relevant to your job). That's all. Not only from India, I think EU beckons tech talent from all Level 3 countries.

How does the blue card work? Is it only valid as long as you work for the employer that sponsored you to get it? Can you change employers after some amount of time and still retain it?

You normally get a blue card with a period of validity, which is normally 4 years. While the blue card is valid you can freely switch between organisations within EU. The only restriction is that you cannot change the field of your work. So a software engineer can only apply for other software engineering positions.

To get a blue card you primarily need an unlimited contract. Companies do help with the process of procurement, like setting up an appointment. Once you get your blue card you also get another "green slip" that mentions your current employer along with your job role. Anytime you move to a different job, this slip needs to be updated, which is then done by your new employer.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by mac_was »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

Which country are you talking about?

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Post by scribu »

timwaagh wrote: post #11

it's kinda sad european programmers get pushed out of entry level positions by typically more experienced indians willing to work for some premium above indian wage. this ensures programming is not a very well paid job in west europe. europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further putting eu workers at a disadvantage versus indians and russians. which…

> europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further

In Romania (Eastern Europe) you can start to learn programming from high school. Not sure what it's like in Western Europe.

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Post by odiroot »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #13

It's funny because in France, we are loosing french tech talents to the US.

From what I've heard Germany is also losing a lot of talent to the us and to Switzerland as well.

Higher salaries, lower taxes, maybe even more interesting gigs. All good reasons to take the leap.

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Post by detaro »

scribu wrote: post #23
timwaagh wrote: post #11

it's kinda sad european programmers get pushed out of entry level positions by typically more experienced indians willing to work for some premium above indian wage. this ensures programming is not a very well paid job in west europe. europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further putting eu workers at a disadvantage versus indians and russians. which…

> europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further In Romania (Eastern Europe) you can start to learn programming from high school. Not sure what it's like in Western Europe.

Same in Germany, but not everywhere/every school.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by [deleted] »

mac_was wrote: post #22
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

Which country are you talking about?

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Post by bluerobotcat »

scribu wrote: post #23
timwaagh wrote: post #11

it's kinda sad european programmers get pushed out of entry level positions by typically more experienced indians willing to work for some premium above indian wage. this ensures programming is not a very well paid job in west europe. europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further putting eu workers at a disadvantage versus indians and russians. which…

> europe has problems in the education system which makes sure people only start programming after college further In Romania (Eastern Europe) you can start to learn programming from high school. Not sure what it's like in Western Europe.

I had the same experience in Belgium in the 90s.

Had lessons in Pascal when I was 14, VBA at age 15, and moved on to a specialized (not very popular at the time) computer studies program at age 16 with about 15 hours of week of IT (VB, Pascal, C++, ...) per week.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by blue_box »

bogomipz wrote: post #15
blue_box wrote: post #7

It is really easy to get a blue card. You just need a contract (higher than €42K) and diploma (which is relevant to your job). That's all. Not only from India, I think EU beckons tech talent from all Level 3 countries.

How does the blue card work? Is it only valid as long as you work for the employer that sponsored you to get it? Can you change employers after some amount of time and still retain it?

If you have an unlimited contract, you can get a blue card which is valid for 4 year (of course you can get permanent residence permit after 33 months). Otherwise it will be limited to your contract period. You will see the company name on your working permit. If you quit, you have 3 months to find a new job. Afterwards, you renew your working permit. So you can change your job but it has to have the same standards. (must be relevant to your education and higher than the salary limit)

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

blue_box wrote: post #20
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

Of course, people who come from abroad have some effect on the salaries but I think the main reason is that life quality is really high in Europe (especially in Germany) so employees don't negotiate properly for their salary. When I talk with my colleagues, most of them are saying that the money that they earn is enough, there is no reason to ask for more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Depends what your family can provide you and what your goals in life are.

If you're set to inherit properties/money from your parents or you're ok with being a renter for life at the mercy of your landlord then any salary in Europe is fine.

If you have to buy a property on your own where you could raise a family in then salaries are far from fine.

Anytime I her someone in Western Europe say salaries are fine and shrug it off, usually it's because they will receive an inheritance or significant financial assistance from parents when the time comes to buy a house so they never feel underpaid.

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