Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
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Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#2People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#3People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
Sounds like Hanlon's razor.
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#4People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
If that's the case, then the decision to assign it to an intern and give them 3 days, and then not to test it with a diverse set of subjects was somebody's fault and failure.
If they were not an intern (or even if they were, frankly), the engineer who built it also had a responsibility to think beyond their own demographic; and if the timeline was too short to develop a properly robust system, to at least point that out to management.
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#5People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
If that's the case, then the decision to assign it to an intern and give them 3 days, and then not to test it with a diverse set of subjects was somebody's fault and failure. If they were not an intern (or even if they were, frankly), the engineer who built it also had a responsibility to think beyond their own demographic; and if the timeline was too short to develop a properly robust system, to at least point that…
As a side point, it could also be like: would someone pay 100$ for a picture in such a machine?
This is sad, but that's how you get fastfoods too
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that's the case, then the decision to assign it to an intern and give them 3 days, and then not to test it with a diverse set of subjects was somebody's fault and failure. If they were not an intern (or even if they were, frankly), the engineer who built it also had a responsibility to think beyond their own demographic; and if the timeline was too short to develop a properly robust system, to at least point that…
As a side point, it could also be like: would someone pay 100$ for a picture in such a machine? This is sad, but that's how you get fastfoods too
This is why we need regulation and can’t leave this kind of stuff up to the market.
If it costs too much to make a machine that is trained on not just a set of white faces so it is not discriminatory, that machine should not be allowed to exist. The only alternative is that if you happen to be part of the privileged majority, you can get a cheap picture from an automated booth, whereas everyone else will have no choice but to pay for a more expensive alternative. This will work to amplify any differences that are already ingrained in society (that probably led to the homogenous training set to begin with).
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#7People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
That’s much worse. The number of people out there who will do this deliberately is much smaller than the number of people who will do it accidentally, but the harms are the same. We need to avoid carelessly applying technology to areas where carelessness can harm people severely.
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that's the case, then the decision to assign it to an intern and give them 3 days, and then not to test it with a diverse set of subjects was somebody's fault and failure. If they were not an intern (or even if they were, frankly), the engineer who built it also had a responsibility to think beyond their own demographic; and if the timeline was too short to develop a properly robust system, to at least point that…
As a side point, it could also be like: would someone pay 100$ for a picture in such a machine? This is sad, but that's how you get fastfoods too
Passport photos have been issued for over a century without needing this crap. Yes, it meant more rejections, and it meant inspectors allowing photos that had minor rule violations, but convenience isn’t the paramount goal of everything.
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#9People tend to think of this as horrible discriminating decisions made by some horrible people, but most likely it is a very cheap machine developed by an intern who had 3 days to make something work...
It doesn’t matter how it’s rationalized, it wouldn’t have shipped with a more observant set of people.
Nobody consciously thinks infrared faucets and hand dryers discriminate, it doesn’t matter about how “hard” contrast on darker people must be for a machine, its just that the edge case when their sensors start failing should have not been considered an edge case at all and never shipped. Nobody should be in a position of playing devils advocate to dismiss minority experiences with technology explaining why companies are tone deaf, it just shouldn't have shipped.
Re: Today I was unable to take a picture in a photo kiosk
#10Unlike the title this is for a passport photo.
You can't smile in a passport photo.
If you compare her lips to recommended passport photos she is more smiling.
If you look at the 2nd happy looking woman here, you can see her lips are not actually in a smile as much as the twitter pic - https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-...
Twitter pic has a dour expression but AI isn't fooled, it looks at lips.
Humans might be fooled and let the photo through though.
Would need more evidence. The open mouth, not sure, stop smiling it might disappear, it could be a follow on assumption.