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Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by HarryHirsch »

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #63
nickpinkston wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So people with money finance research people are doing that advances things they care about, like... checks notes The Kochs' efforts on criminal justice reform? This is the Soros conspiracy theory for lefties.

The Kochs' efforts on criminal justice reform?

Good you mentioned that one. The goal is to push through on mens rea for company executives, for the top brass to go to prison you actually have to prove intent of malfeasance. "Should know" would not be enough to lock someone away.

Currently playing in a theater near you: the 737-MAX drama.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by big_chungus »

dang wrote: post #61
sovietcattle wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My observation is not ideological, it's a reference to the work of an economist...

People understand these words differently, but by the standards that apply on HN, it's definitely ideological and generic. These are things we're trying to avoid, because internet forums don't have anything new to say about them. The arguments just get increasingly repetitive and nasty.

Why pick on this comment, though? The whole thread here is an ideological debate between forms of government and is repetitive; you may as well lock the whole thing at this point.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by walrus01 »

Whatever happened to those people who planned to put a cruise ship in international waters just off the coast of San Francisco?

"project blueseed"

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/14/silicon-valley-...

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2012/12/17/16...

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by [deleted] »

SerLava wrote: post #43

Isn't this the plot of BioShock? If this sounds like a dorky joke post, it's not. Isn't this literally motivated by the same neo-fuedal oligarchical narcissism that made the bad guy in BioShock build essentially the same thing as this? Tell me one of these "seasteads" won't get hit by some speedboat pirates and decide OK, we're gonna arm up and hey why not build down? And you know what? No one's gonna say we can't do…

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Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by nickpinkston »

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #63
nickpinkston wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

So people with money finance research people are doing that advances things they care about, like... checks notes The Kochs' efforts on criminal justice reform? This is the Soros conspiracy theory for lefties.

I doubt you've done the research I have on this, so I'll leave it as an exercise to you and readers here to read my links, critiques of them, and draw your own conclusions.

Also, I'm not saying everything Koch's touch is all wrong, but you can usually trace it back to self-interest whether directly or as cover.

They do a lot of focus grouping to get from, for instance: "taxes are wrong" --> "don't build expensive public transit" --> "make a ballot prop to widen highways at the expense of public transit", and the latter actually happened, per NY Times article below:

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-pub...

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by walrus01 »

keiferski wrote: post #17

Obviously it's sci-fi scenario, but the real solution (assuming that you see it as a problem) to overbearing and entrenched government power will probably be self-sustaining space colonies. Experimental governments on Earth are limited by the fact that [large state power] can invade you in a matter of hours for arbitrary reasons, no matter where you on are the planet. Fly off into the deep cosmos, though, and your ch…

"`Freeside,' Armitage said, touching the panel on the little Braun hologram projector. The image shivered into focus, nearly three meters from tip to tip. `Casinos here.' He reached into the skeletal representation and pointed. `Hotels, strata-title property, big shops along here.' His hand moved. `Blue areas are lakes.' He walked to one end of the model. `Big cigar. Narrows at the ends.'

`We can see that fine,' Molly said. `Mountain effect, as it narrows. Ground seems to get higher, more rocky, but it's an easy climb. Higher you climb, the lower the gravity. Sports up there. There's velodrome ring here.' He pointed.

`A what?' Case leaned forward.

`They race bicycles,' Molly said. `Low grav, high-traction tires, get up over a hundred kilos an hour.'"

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by pjc50 »

keiferski wrote: post #17

Obviously it's sci-fi scenario, but the real solution (assuming that you see it as a problem) to overbearing and entrenched government power will probably be self-sustaining space colonies. Experimental governments on Earth are limited by the fact that [large state power] can invade you in a matter of hours for arbitrary reasons, no matter where you on are the planet. Fly off into the deep cosmos, though, and your ch…

> your chances of survival dramatically increase.

Well, until something goes wrong and you're in deep space beyond any hope of rescue.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by asdf21 »

walrus01 wrote: post #73

Whatever happened to those people who planned to put a cruise ship in international waters just off the coast of San Francisco? "project blueseed" https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/14/silicon-valley-... https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2012/12/17/16...

https://blueseed.com/

nginx bad gateway.

No updates since 2014 or so.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by hinkley »

twright wrote: post #52

Seasteadding today seems a lot more like the ambitions of billionaires for their own benefit. I am not convinced they are interested in new forms of governance insofar as they are just interested in a tax-free region where they can skirt regulations on an absolute level. I might be convinced if the discussion around these new societies they want to build were more focused on egalatarianism. Otherwise, it sounds like…

We’ve simply found a new way to make a company town without calling it that.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Post by hanniabu »

theflyinghorse wrote: post #15
mindcrime wrote: post #13

I don't know if they will ever succeed or not, but it sure is heart-warming to see people still pushing these ideas and trying to get something going. Competition is Good Thing and if we can come up with something better than nation-states, then we should. Personally I encourage these guys to keep experimenting, keep iterating, and keep pushing to break the mold. Maybe "government" as we know it today is a just a "fa…

It really does sound like a bunch of wealthy folks (and I don't mean your-town's-surgeon wealthy, I mean billionaire-class-wealthy) want to further remove themselves from laws that govern everybody else. Imagine this - a group of super wealthy bound by no laws of any nation but benefiting from them all. Terrifying.

Sounds like an Epstein dream
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