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Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens

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Re: Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #234
mihaaly wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still a bit puzzled how cheerful some people seem about a product that was unable to fulfill its purpose: Starliner getting to its intended destination. Seems like they cheer that it stayed in one piece at least. Not too promising.

> I am still a bit puzzled how cheerful some people seem about a product that was unable to fulfill its purpose: Starliner getting to its intended destination. Calling a space capsule a product and treating it like some kind of tech product launch and framing it's success that way is weird. It's a spacecraft and the mission was meant to test its capabilities and get data about it during an actual orbital flight, then…

It failed for essentially trivial reasons. Which suggests there are issues with the procedures that should eliminate those failures, and that similar failure modes are possible.

That's why it's not encouraging - and why it's not at all unfair to be scathing.

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Post by markus_zhang »

dnautics wrote: post #316
markus_zhang wrote: post #298

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And i heard that they are supposed to get a huge compensate because they "take larger risk" than the soldiers, while inn reality they put OTHER's life and money in risk while they themselves take fat compensate and even if SHTF they just resign to enjoy life in some islands.

Supply and demand. Do you know how rare it is to find such psychopaths? Those are valuable humans.

Damn man you are so right...

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Post by leesalminen »

Nacraile wrote: post #279
leesalminen wrote: post #221

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Then you could purchase a different fare class. The market has largely spoken already- people prefer lower fares over comfortable seats.

Ah, yes, it is definitely reasonable to draw that conclusion based on people's disinclination to spend 100% the fare for a 10% larger, somewhat less uncomfortable seat, and/or 1000% the fare for 50% more space and an actually comfortable seat.

You seem to have left out Premium Economy class that’s available on many (most?) airlines. Personally, I tend to opt for that fare class as I find the seat more tolerable at a reasonable price point.

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Post by remarkEon »

solatic wrote: post #127
panarky wrote: post #95

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The NYT story in particular was hard-hitting and well sourced. Gotta wonder if these stories influenced the board to act now. It's a bad look, because Boeing is consistently way too late to recognize what is obvious to those of us watching from home. I continue to be astounded that our most senior leaders will not act in the long-term best interest of the organizations they lead. It's been 37 years since the Tylenol…

The Tylenol crisis is basically the case study for how to handle a corporate crisis. If you get an MBA without having come across it, you should ask for your money back. > Why can't today's leaders think a little bigger, and optimize for the long term even if that has an immediate cost? I'm not sure it's so simple. At the head of the Boeing bureaucracy, Dennis Muilenberg likely was being fed a diet of wrong and horri…

>Dennis Muilenberg likely was being fed a diet of wrong and horrible information from lower executives keen on deflecting blame so that they could keep their jobs.

Your job as CEO, or any leader of a large organization civilian or military, is to ferret out when you're being fed loads of BS. It's frustrating because Muilenberg was a engineer and started there as an intern in the 80s, so he at least should have some domain expertise in what the problems were. Perhaps him being a "company man" in this case was a hindrance, or conflicted with the new culture at Boeing that is, apparently, run by MBAs concerned with quarterly profits. In either case, he needed to go as this failure happened on his watch.

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Post by cmurf »

The reasons in the article for the firing, aren't persuasive. The regulatory capture problems predate Muilenburg, and are systemic in the board of directors who like that capture, and so do its shareholders. They don't actually care about trust, if anything they're frustrated by the regulatory capture not working as expeditiously as it once was.

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Post by ativzzz »

asperous wrote: post #326
pytester wrote: post #258

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There needs to be a broader cultural backlash against the cult of MBAs first.

As a programmer who got an MBA, I can tell you that in my cohort there were absolutely extremely smart super stars who put the time into everything they do and have the talent to make good decisions and have the empathy to be good managers. There were also people who tried their best but their judgement was clearly lacking. My cohort has Civil Engineers, Materials engineers, Physicians, Finance, Accountants.. and als…

The current hacker news meme is that bad management of any kind is due to MBAs, where in reality a bad manager is a bad manager and an MBA has nothing to do with it.

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Post by lokedhs »

heelix wrote: post #328
lokedhs wrote: post #293

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To be honest, I don't know. It's hard to compare for the US domestic flights, since you have to decide on comparable routes. That said, flights throughout Asia at distances similar to US domestic flights tend to be reasonably cheap. I decided to make a comparison: Fly Singapore Airlines from Singapore to Hong Kong. This will cost you 225 USD in economy. A domestic US flight of the same distance would be San Francisco…

The routes and dates really matter. I can fly from MSP to TPA (about 2.1k, about the same) for $28 USD. Now I wont argue Frontier airline is the same quality as Delta or some of the other majors... but airfare prices are really fungible.

Sure. With a budget airline I can get cheaper flights in Asia too. The aforementioned flight from Singapore to Hong Kong (1-8 March) is 87 USD on Jetstar.

My point was that even though the regular flights are similarly priced in the US and Asia, the quality in the US is so much worse. I now see that my attempt at explaining this discrepancy had some flaws, but what other explanations do you suggest?

The fact seems to be that even the best US Airlines are significantly worse than the ones in other places. When the best rated ones are hovering around average, there is something wrong.

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Post by lokedhs »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #330
lokedhs wrote: post #293

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To be honest, I don't know. It's hard to compare for the US domestic flights, since you have to decide on comparable routes. That said, flights throughout Asia at distances similar to US domestic flights tend to be reasonably cheap. I decided to make a comparison: Fly Singapore Airlines from Singapore to Hong Kong. This will cost you 225 USD in economy. A domestic US flight of the same distance would be San Francisco…

You probably need a larger sample to draw any conclusions, especially during a holiday season.

For anyone wanting to make similar comparisons: I checked returns flights between 1 and 8 March next year.

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Post by gilrain »

doublement wrote: post #133
PaulHoule wrote: post #21

The big question for Boeing is how they will transition to a post-737 world. Until now, Boeing's business plan is that they will be building a starship for NASA in 2060, but you will still be stuck with a 737 on Southwest Airlines, a A320 on Jetblue, and never know that aviation could be better. The 737 throws off a lot of cash, but the single-aisle monoculture makes flying miserable. A 737 replacement will be expens…

> ...single-aisle monoculture makes flying miserable. What is it that people expect when they say flying is miserable? I expect safety, which is why I'll never get on a 737 MAX. Other than that, I just put sandwiches and snacks in my pocket, fill my water bottle, and in X hours I'm thousands of miles away. Air travel is actually pretty amazing.

Congratulations on being able-bodied.

I have arthritis and literally cannot fly anymore because I can't afford tickets with enough leg room to not be in crippling pain for the entire flight. I've had to miss important family events because of this.

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Post by richk449 »

Jamwinner wrote: post #269
Tepix wrote: post #249

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I will fly on it. It will have gotten more scrutiny than other planes.

Yup, every pilot I know, even if they will never fly one, now knows what to do. None of them express any reservation other than the way flight control software is headed.

How do you know the MCAS issue is the only one the plane has? Given the hands off regulation, maybe there are other similar shortcuts taken?
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