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A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

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Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

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Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

> * The primary criticism against safe spaces is that they are an excuse to censor dissenting opinions. A common example is that people opposed to sex-reassignment surgery are not allowed into discussions about transgenderism*

What a strange example! What is the "dissenting opinion" about sex-reassignment surgery and transgenderism? Is it not for individuals to decided? Why would this even be an issue in the public space. If you're not transgender, does it impact you in any way?

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

> If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice, there'd be little backlash against them.

That's the public perception based on news media. Sure, there may be a minority of "safe spaces" that are how you depicted, but if you include AA, group therapy, and other things of that nature, I think your perception is wrong.

>A common example is that people opposed to sex-reassignment surgery are not allowed into discussions about trangenderism because their opinions are considered "disrespectful" or even "violent" to transgender people.

When almost 50% of trans male teens have attempted suicide [1], almost half of all trans people report being verbally or physically harassed [2], and the American Medical Association calling violence against trans people an "epidemic" [3], then yes, I think there is a fair case to be made anti-trans sentiment contributes to violence towards the trans community, just like how anti-black sentiment in the US contributed to violence against black people.

Is going into spaces where trans people feel comfortable, to make your case against sex-reassignment surgery something you feel that needs to happen?

[1]https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e201742...

[2]https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/comedian-s-death-und...

[3]https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2019/06/15/amer...

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

#46

The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

> A common example is that people opposed to sex-reassignment surgery are not allowed into discussions about trangenderism [sic!] because their opinions are considered "disrespectful" or even "violent" to transgender people.

What does "being opposed to sex-reassignment surgery" even mean? I see two options:

1. Being opposed to others having the possibility of undergoing such a surgery.

2. Being opposed to undergoing such a surgery.

In the first case, I do believe it's disrespectful of the freedom to do with one's body as one pleases. In the second case, AFAIK nobody forces anybody to undergo such a surgery, so I doubt that anybody understands this position this way.

Disclaimer: I also don't like the idea of "safe spaces", however this particular criticism seems ill-founded.

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The Yale Directed Studies program is no joke -- it tends to attract the most motivated humanities students and to have incredible amounts of work and reading. Impressive that he's taking it, but he's also seeing a somewhat more serious class of students who, by extension, are less likely to be snowflakes.

Fellow DS alum? I still rate DS as among the hardest things I've done (although partly because I was too inexperienced to know how to pace/schedule my work correctly). Everything that followed felt so easy afterwards. Sophomore to senior years all felt like a breeze compared to DS. It also had a fairly profound effect on my intellectual development. Even though I graduated with a degree in CS, most of my non-work reading is still in the humanities -- mostly history and political science.

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

I am sure safe spaces are implemented in a variety of ways and with varying levels of competence. I would point out that "being opposed to sex-reassignment surgery" is not so much an opinion as it is an ideology. I suspect many safe spaces would be far more open to including people who subscribe to that ideology if those people entered those discussions with a willingness to learn, a desire to honestly explore the pr…

On this specific point, I agree with you, and generally have for some time, but am generally more skeptical than ever of the people on the apparently altruistic inclusivity side. It may be confirmation bias, but the kind of shit I've become aware of is ridiculous. Some examples are the backlash that Bret Weinstein got a few years ago at Evergren, the amount of "Fuck Terfs" that's spraypainted all over my neighborhood because women's shelters don't allow people who only identify as women to be the same as bio-sex females, and the banning of public libraries from inclusion of events like pride on the basis that they allow critics a space to speak. If the genuine desire to have a dialogue was there, it would be more obvious. Even some of my friends who live the social justice life seem to shut down when they don't have script readily indexed to respond to what they deem a threat in regular conversation. I wish this wasn't the case, because I am a liberal person, but believe these things need scrutiny as much as anything else. That's the only way people who are currently suppressed can then be elevated in a sustainable way.

Here I'm trying to make distinctions between things like a gay person's human right to marry and a male's ability to identify as a woman and sue female oriented genital grooming places for discrimination on the basis that they have male parts. In one case that human right was denied arbitrarily based on the ideology of doctrine imbued culture and law.

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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post #34

The author either has a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticisms against "safe spaces" or he's deliberately mischaracterizing them to earn the favor of his classmates. > What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. If that's actually how safe spaces were implemented in practice,…

I am sure safe spaces are implemented in a variety of ways and with varying levels of competence. I would point out that "being opposed to sex-reassignment surgery" is not so much an opinion as it is an ideology. I suspect many safe spaces would be far more open to including people who subscribe to that ideology if those people entered those discussions with a willingness to learn, a desire to honestly explore the pr…

> a desire to honestly explore the pros and cons of that surgery

What if these pros and cons were subjective, and someone decided that in the end, the cons outweighed the pros? Would you cast them as an evil person and exile them from your safe space? Would you accept their opinion, respectfully disagree, and move on?

It seems that you must either abide by the ideology, censor yourself, or be exiled and called a nazi. This goes against everything that a university is about: free speech and open discussion.

> cisgender people who have little knowledge of the emotional land mines they can trigger by simply relying on the "common sense" they have learned over a lifetime.

Correct. Cisgendered people represent the majority of the population. Personally I have had maybe one or two opportunities to interact with a transgender person because they make up a tiny percentage of the population. That is not to say that I refuse to be respectful towards them, it shows that the majority of people don't get the chance to interact and learn what to avoid saying. Is everyone really required to learn all these new words / triggers / etc. in order to appease a tiny tiny fraction of the population? Genuinely curious to know your thoughts.

Re: A Navy Seal's Semester at Yale, at Age 52

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More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles.

> More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles.

I often find the people that make this case are in their own bubbles, they aren't aware about. Like the notion LA and NYC are bubbles, and the midwest is "real America." Even though LA and NYC contain huge amounts of economic, racial, and LGTBQ+ diversity, and what many politicians consider "real America" to be a homogenous group.

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