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Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by ofcrpls » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

kop316 wrote: post #26

ljm wrote: post #21

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Ghee is quite cheap and easy to make by yourself, so long as you use a good butter. A lot cheaper than the ready made stuff, I’ve found.

I saw that, I may have to try it sometime! Out of curiosity, how much Ghee can you make out of butter (I.e. start with 16 oz of butter, get approx 8 oz? Or how much?)

This is how Ghee is made in my house.

0. Be from a family line that consumes gallons up gallons of curd/yogurt weekly.

1. Curd Process - Boil whole milk, let it cool down a bit, and add some older curd, let it sit overnight in your oven with the light on.

2. The next morning, put the container in the refrigerator.

3. At night, you'll notice a think layer of creamy butter on top of the curd. Scrape that layer off the curd and transfer it into a container that you will store in your freezer. Enjoy the curd.

4. Repeat steps 0-3 over a few days, which will cause you to have a container full of creamy butter.

5. When you need ghee, melt the contents at medium heat while continuing to stir to maximize the ghee you'll make out of it. You will start seeing some particulate forming at the bottom

6. Filter and transfer the melted contents into your ghee container.

7. Turn off the stove but continue stirring the particulate matter with some added sugar for a tasty sweet.

8. Rinse Repeat.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by squish78 » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:48 PM UTC

kevinmchugh wrote: post #30

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #28

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If you make them yourself at home, yes. If not, no.

If I buy them from the butcher at the end of my block who make them in house, they're not real food? If the butcher makes them at the store and takes them home, they're not real food? What if I make them at my house and take them to someone else's home?

I wish HN had a dial to turn down the pedantry

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by rayiner » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:50 PM UTC

squish78 wrote: post #25

rayiner wrote: post #22

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What is “real food?” Are sausages, for example, “real food?”

Are you doing a semantic word-play thing, or are you genuinely curious about the food supply? Edit: I see that you're a former lawyer. I'm going to assume it's a semantic word-play thing

It’s not semantics. I’m trying to understand what OP means by “real food,” because I suspect he’s peddling nature woo.[1] Heavily processed food, like sausages and cured meats, have been a basic part of the human diet for millennia.

[1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nature_woo

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by shantly » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:50 PM UTC

squish78 wrote: post #32

kevinmchugh wrote: post #30

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If I buy them from the butcher at the end of my block who make them in house, they're not real food? If the butcher makes them at the store and takes them home, they're not real food? What if I make them at my house and take them to someone else's home?

I wish HN had a dial to turn down the pedantry

I wonder whether people think they're aiding communication with it.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by abdullahkhalids » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

kevinmchugh wrote: post #30

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #28

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If you make them yourself at home, yes. If not, no.

If I buy them from the butcher at the end of my block who make them in house, they're not real food? If the butcher makes them at the store and takes them home, they're not real food? What if I make them at my house and take them to someone else's home?

Let me modify my previous statement.

You can only be sure that sausages are "real food", if you make it yourself at home using the raw ingredients. Otherwise, no idea.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by squish78 » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #33

squish78 wrote: post #25

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Are you doing a semantic word-play thing, or are you genuinely curious about the food supply? Edit: I see that you're a former lawyer. I'm going to assume it's a semantic word-play thing

It’s not semantics. I’m trying to understand what OP means by “real food,” because I suspect he’s peddling nature woo.[1] Heavily processed food, like sausages and cured meats, have been a basic part of the human diet for millennia. [1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nature_woo

Then you just answered your own question if sausage is real food... so why are you asking?

But if you want to talk about curing meats, that's a fun topic. The ones my fam makes are way tastier than Jimmy Dean's

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by indecisive_user » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #27

melq wrote: post #18

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Not only that, but fully hydrogenated oils are supposed to be quite bad for you. I think. It’s really hard to keep current on nutrition debates and “healthy” is a fairly nebulous concept when it comes to food.

It's not fully hydrogenated any more for that reason, though I couldn't tell you what it is instead.

It is fully hydrogenated.

You can read the ingredients on their website[1]. While it's not the healthiest fat for a typical Western diet, it contains zero trans fat(partially hydrogenated), which is the only truly harmful fat. Trans fat is pretty much dangerous in any quantity and directly correlates to an increase in cardiovascular events.

Artificially added Trans fat was banned in the US in 2018.

1. https://www.crisco.com/products/vegetable-shortening/all-veg...

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by kevinmchugh » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

shantly wrote: post #34

squish78 wrote: post #32

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I wish HN had a dial to turn down the pedantry

I wonder whether people think they're aiding communication with it.

I managed to get a refined version of the comment I didn't understand. The refinement helped me understand it, so I'm happy.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by SpicyLemonZest » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

squish78 wrote: post #8

The agro-industrial complex in general convinced Americans to buy trademark branded products instead of real food

I'm not convinced that there's a coherent concept of real food. Most real food advocates I've seen are happy to eat, say, tofu. They'll admit that technically it's processed, in the sense that it's industrially manufactured by pulverizing soybeans beyond recognition then adding chemicals to the big holding vats. But people say it's not highly processed, or it hasn't lost the natural essence of soy, or whatever. I just can't find a way to extract a meaning beyond "the kind of food that real food advocates like".

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Post by peter_retief » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

ebg13 wrote: post #29

peter_retief wrote: post #24

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Not sure what you mean, vegetable oils are hydrogenated, the lard or drippings we collect are from the cooking process.

> vegetable oils are hydrogenated As a general statement about vegetable oils, that is super false. You can tell because the oils are liquid at room temperature and hydrogenated oils aren't. Maybe you meant vegetable shortenings?

http://www.ok.org/kosherspirit/winter-2016/what-is-vegetable... this is a random site I googled. Cold pressed olive oil is a relatively safe method is an exception