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Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by claudeganon »

moufestaphio wrote: post #149
thrower123 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What racism is there to fight in Japan? Are you sure you aren't just pulling stock arguments out here?

It's not exactly a secret. Japan is super racist. They outright will often refuse services to foreigners/non-ethnic Japanese. Here's a quick few results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Ethnic_... https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2123539/no-c... https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Japan-Update/No-forei...

Not only that, but it’s all more or less entirely legal. There’s very little in the way of civil rights protections like there are in the US, and what does exist is subject to the large, conservative leaning power of the judiciary.

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by Invictus0 »

andreygrehov wrote: post #135

When I was a kid and lived in Ukraine (my home country), I went to a home school. Tutoring happened at a teacher's home. Each class was 4-6 people max. Such were the rules. They hired teachers from the same neighborhood so that kids could easily walk from one teacher's place to another. Sometimes we had to take a bus. It was amazing. Obviously, zero bullying and stuff like that. After class, we could get some fresh a…

Would you mind sharing more information about the school?

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by a-saleh »

growlist wrote: post #81
a-saleh wrote: post #57

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I don't think we are talking about transfer. My mam had the concept of exercising zitsfleish, the ability to sit down and concentrate at a mentally taxing boring task for uncertain reward. This is a skill I use to this day, especially when debugging, and when I have a hard day, I remind myself that if I was able to solve 100 linear equations over christmass when I was 10, I should be able to find this bug!

> the ability to sit down and concentrate at a mentally taxing boring task for uncertain reward If anything I'd say school hindered me in this regard! I think I learnt dogged persistence through playing videogames.

How did it hinder? Peergroup? Teachers?

I have to admit, that I did mention my mum on purpose, for first two years she literally sat by my side to help me concentrate.

Videogames either reqiured too good reaction time for me, or were too entertaining to need dogged persistence on my part :)

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by microcolonel »

seavanas wrote: post #148
nabla9 wrote: post #128

> In Japan, more and more children are refusing to go to school, a phenomenon called "futoko" Articles about Japan always bring up Japanese names for things. What is the reason for this? You don't usually see the same for other countries: In German more and more children are lonely, a phenomenon called "die Einsamkeit".

they're weebs

Yeah, I think a lot of it is that people are enamoured when new jargon is created that isn't just English, and there are many people who have some superficial interest in Japan. This is part of why English speakers have fun with new terms like 白左 (Chinese neolog. "white left") or 引きこもり. It goes the other way as well, I heard "NEET" first in Japanese.

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by seavanas »

moufestaphio wrote: post #149
thrower123 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What racism is there to fight in Japan? Are you sure you aren't just pulling stock arguments out here?

It's not exactly a secret. Japan is super racist. They outright will often refuse services to foreigners/non-ethnic Japanese. Here's a quick few results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Ethnic_... https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2123539/no-c... https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Japan-Update/No-forei...

NOOOOOOO YOU MUST SERVE THE ENGLISH ONLY SPEAKERS!!!! IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A JAPANESE TO LEARN THEIR LANGUAGE!!!!!!

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by ihuman »

derefr wrote: post #134
nabla9 wrote: post #128

> In Japan, more and more children are refusing to go to school, a phenomenon called "futoko" Articles about Japan always bring up Japanese names for things. What is the reason for this? You don't usually see the same for other countries: In German more and more children are lonely, a phenomenon called "die Einsamkeit".

I think the thing journalists find interesting is that Japan is creating these particular words at all, when most languages/cultures don’t bother. (Edited: removed some badly-sourced assertions.) We have an English word “truant”, referring to someone who happens to not attend schooling; but we have no English word for someone who actively avoids the education system. This is an uncommon construction; I don’t think th…

> We have an English word “truant”, referring to someone who happens to not attend schooling; but we have no English word for someone who actively avoids the education system

There's also "playing hooky". While it still refers to the action, IMO its more about someone actively avoiding school/work.

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by vintermann »

shotashotshota wrote: post #140
sametmax wrote: post #37

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+1. Even as an adult, If I could do it all again, I would avoid school as much as possible. School is an upgrade from child labor, but I now have enough experience to know it's a downgrade from what I can learn of my own. Not saying every kid should do the same of course. But personnally, after being in 11 schools, including fancy private ones and ones in poor neighbourhoods, I found extremly few decent teachers, a v…

>School is an upgrade from child labor, but I now have enough experience to know it's a downgrade from what I can learn of my own. This might be true for you but I don't believe for 1 second that the common person is able to "learn on their own". Literally everything they want/need to know about anything is available on the internet but very, very few taught themselves to be educated.

That might change if they had to.

Teachers who have experimented with "reverse classrooms" claim that 1. Students hate it, and 2. It is very effective.

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

oddity wrote: post #5

If you're a kid and do the cost/benefit analysis, going to school looks like a dumb decision and a huge opportunity cost for time that could otherwise be used for things with known reward (playing). Bullying, exams, homework, sleep disruption, etc is all cost. What does the student believe they get they out of it? The pathway from school to job is nebulous to young kids who don't yet need money to live. As kids get o…

> "As kids get older and gain knowledge but not respect or autonomy, the school to job pathway looks more and more arbitrary and unnecessary (the common question of "But when am I actually going to use this?" I remember hearing often in school)."

SMBC has the answer to this: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-i-couldn39t-be-a-math-...

Sounds like very pointed snark but IMO it isn't, just a basic truth. The average population may not ever need to use what they learned but the percentage of people who go on to STEM and other professional careers are "going to use this" and that's enough to make it worthwhile.

Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by buf »

Invictus0 wrote: post #152
andreygrehov wrote: post #135

When I was a kid and lived in Ukraine (my home country), I went to a home school. Tutoring happened at a teacher's home. Each class was 4-6 people max. Such were the rules. They hired teachers from the same neighborhood so that kids could easily walk from one teacher's place to another. Sometimes we had to take a bus. It was amazing. Obviously, zero bullying and stuff like that. After class, we could get some fresh a…

Would you mind sharing more information about the school?

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Re: Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

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Post by andreygrehov »

Invictus0 wrote: post #152
andreygrehov wrote: post #135

When I was a kid and lived in Ukraine (my home country), I went to a home school. Tutoring happened at a teacher's home. Each class was 4-6 people max. Such were the rules. They hired teachers from the same neighborhood so that kids could easily walk from one teacher's place to another. Sometimes we had to take a bus. It was amazing. Obviously, zero bullying and stuff like that. After class, we could get some fresh a…

Would you mind sharing more information about the school?

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