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Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by denzil_correa »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #288
Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

Oh, you want to updates your apps? That's easy. Open up the App Store and then click on your profile picture. Wait, what?

The inclusion of the Arcade tab on the App Store has pushed this change. I'm guessing that Apple feels like most people don't really update apps manually and just do an auto-update.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by fingerlocks »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #288
Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

Oh, you want to updates your apps? That's easy. Open up the App Store and then click on your profile picture. Wait, what?

It makes way more sense when you have multiple profiles with a different set of apps for each of them.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by krtkush »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #288
Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

Oh, you want to updates your apps? That's easy. Open up the App Store and then click on your profile picture. Wait, what?

I feel that this is a dark-pattern to force users to enable automatics updates.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by month13 »

hellomyguys wrote: post #299
Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

As someone who does product design for a living and has used an iPad for almost 10 years now, I still get so confused with the Slide Over multitasking. There's no discoverability at all for this. You have to read the manual and memorize the gestures. Absolutely mind-blowing that they've made something this confusing. I know when people say "it's like they don't even use their products" it is usually hyperbolic, but I…

It's a nightmare as well if you're trying to multitask an app that isn't in your dock. Often I'll have to do this dance of tap home, open the app I want on the side, it opens full screen switch back to that app and then drag it GENTLY to the place I want.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by AlphaSite »

Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

Honestly, The way I see a lot of things, e.g, control Center, etc is layered complexity. The simplest most consistent way to change all of this is in settings, if you want a shortcut, then use control Center, etc.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by kccqzy »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #288
Razengan wrote: post #287

The iPad was my gateway into the Apple orchard. I had never purchased an Apple product until about a decade ago, when I got the first Retina iPad as a gift for someone who didn’t use computers. I was so impressed by how intuitive the device and OS was for them, that I installed macOS in a VM on Windows to try iOS development. I fell in love with macOS (back during Lion) shortly before getting my first MacBook and lea…

Oh, you want to updates your apps? That's easy. Open up the App Store and then click on your profile picture. Wait, what?

Hold the App Store icon until a menu appears. Choose "Updates" and done.

I'm not defending Apple here. I only accidentally discovered this shortcut. I feel that designers these days expect users to explore a lot of things out of blind faith in order to discover functionality.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by y4mi »

everybodyknows wrote: post #282
asaibx wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for a physical keyboard -- if you have Hacker's Keyboard installed it comes with a Ctrl key, and Ctrl-Z works as expected.

The Klaus Weidener Hacker's Keyboard?

I'm not the parent, but yes. It's basically the keyboard if you want to ssh or run a Linux distro in userspace.

flow typing wasn't possible last time I used it, however.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by frosted-flakes »

JadeNB wrote: post #235
gryfft wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one of the few Android phones with a physical keyboard and I have the dollar sign key mapped to ctrl. I was pleased to discover ctrl-z works the way it should. This doesn't help the vast majority of users, I know, but it's one more thing I love about having a physical keyboard on my phone.

> I have one of the few Android phones with a physical keyboard What phone? Do you recommend it?

BlackBerry KeyOne or Key2. I have the KeyOne and would recommend the Key2. Typing is not any faster than on glass, but it's purposeful and generally error-free, which is a much better experience in my opinion. Also, you don't need to look at the keys.

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by DonHopkins »

The original Mac would pop up a dialog with a threatening icon of a bomb with a lit fuse, whenever it crashed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_(icon)

>The Bomb icon is a symbol designed by Susan Kare that was displayed inside the System Error alert box when the "classic" Macintosh operating system (pre-Mac OS X) had a crash which the system decided was unrecoverable. It was similar to a dialog box in Windows 9x that said "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down." Since the classic Mac OS offered little memory protection, an application crash would often take down the entire system.

Unfortunately, the Mac's error dialog could cause naive users to jump up out of their seat and run away from the computer in terror, because they though it was going to explode!

And Window's error message was just as bad: it could cause naive users to fear they might get arrested for accidentally doing something illegal!

Re: Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

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Post by mihaaly »

zapzupnz wrote: post #262
mihaaly wrote: post #163

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I am going to be a little rough, but no-one cares about your difficulties! Especially when your inability of producing intuitive - or easy to discover - features blocking users instead of helping! A tool should help users not being the poor man's self advertisement medium! Otherwise there's no point using those. Do it properly or find a living where you are competent! Again, sorry for being rude, but hopefully it hel…

The rude user perspective. Don’t be so presumptuous as to think your rude virtual exhalation of breath could represent all users.

Still a user, and that is the point here!! Many developers forget making tools for the user, forget who they are working for, putting there problems first, onto the user.

That is the real rudeness here!

That I am very tired about and which makes me reluctant to use apps. Too many lazy incompetence ruining app usage. I may be alone with rudeness but definitely not alone with the strong disappointment and reluctance. Just look around here!

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