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Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

#11

Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

jchw wrote: post #6

Wow. Preemptive multitasking, graphical window management, POSIX-like, in a programming language that to my knowledge it hasn't yet been done in... and in just several months of work. There's no smoke and mirrors as far as I can tell. I dug back to the initial commit: https://github.com/ffwff/lilith/commit/c9fa1053dc6a22d630ee6... - and it's just bootstrapping to VGA. Very well done, and inspiring. Makes me want to t…

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me.

Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

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Post by lmm »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #11
jchw wrote: post #6

Wow. Preemptive multitasking, graphical window management, POSIX-like, in a programming language that to my knowledge it hasn't yet been done in... and in just several months of work. There's no smoke and mirrors as far as I can tell. I dug back to the initial commit: https://github.com/ffwff/lilith/commit/c9fa1053dc6a22d630ee6... - and it's just bootstrapping to VGA. Very well done, and inspiring. Makes me want to t…

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me. Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

What's Crystal's unique selling point? It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't. More Ruby-like syntax? Fine, but most people don't particularly like Ruby syntax.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

#13

Post by saagarjha »

jchw wrote: post #6

Wow. Preemptive multitasking, graphical window management, POSIX-like, in a programming language that to my knowledge it hasn't yet been done in... and in just several months of work. There's no smoke and mirrors as far as I can tell. I dug back to the initial commit: https://github.com/ffwff/lilith/commit/c9fa1053dc6a22d630ee6... - and it's just bootstrapping to VGA. Very well done, and inspiring. Makes me want to t…

Interesting choice of syscalls: https://github.com/ffwff/lilith/blob/master/userspace/librar.... No fork; instead it seems to implement spawnv.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

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Post by tbrock »

lmm wrote: post #12
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me. Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

What's Crystal's unique selling point? It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't. More Ruby-like syntax? Fine, but most people don't particularly like Ruby syntax.

Well unlike the rust circlejerk apparently people are using it to build operating systems instead of just talking about how one day they might.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

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Post by shakna »

lmm wrote: post #12
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me. Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

What's Crystal's unique selling point? It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't. More Ruby-like syntax? Fine, but most people don't particularly like Ruby syntax.

> It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't.

Crystal is only five years old.

Nim is 11, Rust is 9, Kotlin is 8, OCaml is 23 and Swift is 5.

Basically, Crystal is tied with Swift as the youngest.

What it offers right now is a simple porting process for those with Ruby codebases.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

#16

Post by nlh »

lmm wrote: post #12
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me. Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

What's Crystal's unique selling point? It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't. More Ruby-like syntax? Fine, but most people don't particularly like Ruby syntax.

C bindings, strongly-typed, a great concurrency model, very fast, and Ruby-like syntax. That makes it a very unique and appealing language to me (and others).

If you / most people don’t particularly like the Ruby-like syntax, then Crystal might not appeal to you. But I can assure you to those of us who like the syntax, the language is wonderful and super fun to work with.

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

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Post by nlh »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #11
jchw wrote: post #6

Wow. Preemptive multitasking, graphical window management, POSIX-like, in a programming language that to my knowledge it hasn't yet been done in... and in just several months of work. There's no smoke and mirrors as far as I can tell. I dug back to the initial commit: https://github.com/ffwff/lilith/commit/c9fa1053dc6a22d630ee6... - and it's just bootstrapping to VGA. Very well done, and inspiring. Makes me want to t…

Maybe it's just because I come from Ruby, but Crystal seems like an amazing language. I'm interested why it seems to be getting little attention compared to Go, Rust, & Julia. It seems in the same league to me. Kotlin and Swift have more obvious reasons for their adoption.

I found Crystal about a year ago and absolutely fell in love with it. It just “clicks” for me.

My sense from reading most peanut-gallery commentary that the biggest reasons it hasn’t taken off more (yet) are:

1. Real multi-threading (it’s now in alpha - but previously just had single-threaded concurrency - and sorry I might be getting that terminology wrong).

2. Windows support (I personally don’t care but I haven’t found a single thread talking about Crystal where someone doesn’t chime in and complain about this)

I have a feeling once it reaches 1.0 and those issues are addressed it’ll get a bit more attention. It deserves it!

Re: Lilith: x86-64 OS written in Crystal

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Post by klyrs »

tbrock wrote: post #14
lmm wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's Crystal's unique selling point? It's older than Rust, Kotlin, Swift, Nim, or even OCaml, and doesn't really offer anything they don't. More Ruby-like syntax? Fine, but most people don't particularly like Ruby syntax.

Well unlike the rust circlejerk apparently people are using it to build operating systems instead of just talking about how one day they might.

I'm not smitten with the rust fandom either, but at least do your homework

https://www.redox-os.org/

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