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Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cookie pop ups were a thing before, I guess being able to opt-out is a neat feature but there are certainly companies who do not comply when you choose to opt-out. (Looking at you Verizon, yes I know it’s you behind “oath”.)

If i see the "oath" message when following a link, i close the browser tab :)

Same here, it's like they don't even bother getting their systems up to date.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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Yes it has. Companies are now forced to build architectures that take data classification and privacy in mind. It's been a really great addition and a important check on the data economy.

Do you still receive targeted advertisements (assuming you have not opted-in to them)?

Well, yes and no. You will always get ads, and targeted or not (based on tracking data) was only going to matter about 4%. Not sure when this was posted on HN, but multiple papers and researches have reached similar conclusions. It's not all that strange if you think about it, because the people that were going to click on ads were going to click anyway, and those who wouldn't aren't suddenly changed because the ads are targeted.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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In terms of what a company has to do, not that much changed since GDPR's predecessor. The difference between the previous law from the 90s and GDPR is mainly publicity (privacy wasn't as big a topic in the 90s) and higher fines, so what I notice as an EU resident is that more companies implement it. (Also companies abroad, but I can't say that e.g. Google's update impacted me beyond annoying banners: they still say "…

But it did change for everyone else that didn't have those laws. Also, the impact of a brach is much bigger now.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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I'd also be interested in knowing the tangible results on a individual level so far.

As an individual, closing accounts is much easier, including getting your data deleted or getting a copy of the data they have.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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I'm an EU resident with a SaaS business storing EU personal information. It's forced us to think more carefully how we build systems to pick up, retain and scrub data. So all clients (>1,000) and their clients (likely in the millions) have benefited They absolutely won't have noticed a difference - by design! Unbeknownst to downstream users, there are now more rigorous systems in place to manage this information and…

I work with e-commerce in the EU and my experience mirrors yours.

Almost all clients took an honest look at data collection and retention policies.

Data was classified and tools built around the GDPR framework to allow customers to be able to fully retrieve, request changes to, or delete their information from servers.

Most clients ended up collecting less data and retaining it for a shorter time.

All in all from my perspective it seems the law did much of what it was designed to do.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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The big impact for me was on the non-online tracking and mishandling of private information. All kinds of local non-online service providers and companies (e.g. store 'loyalty programs') started to take data privacy and (non-)collection much more seriously, significantly changing their policies and activities. There are still all kinds of unacceptable activities, but now they're (a) rare and (b) clearly forbidden, so we don't see local corporations flounting 'sorry-not-sorry-we-did-nothing-wrong-and-will-keep-doing-it' PR after they've been caught doing something shady.

So there's been a big change on how my data is being handled in the real world - any effect on random websites online are just a nice-to-have bonus, it's sort of moving in the right direction but it's obviously not a priority in enforement and a better treatment for that can be tweaked in a next version of GDPR, the important thing was to tackle all the big relationships (and privacy abuse potential) people have with e.g. their cell phone provider, supermarket chains, lenders, etc, which are now mostly 'clean' and the major online players such as Facebook, Google, etc which will probably require years in courts.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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GDPR is trade restriction as the notion of "digital privacy" is perpetrated by those who want to restrain US tech companies.

Is it? Because if a consumer protection is a trade restriction, would requiring electric devices to be insulated so they don't electrocute the user be a 'trade restriction' as well?

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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Well, the cookie popups have helped me become more selective in my browsing. If they don't make it reasonably easy to opt out, I just don't open the site. But the real benefit is this: Some random online store that i bought something from once decided to send me a spam sms around black friday. One email and 24 hours later, all the data they had about me was deleted. Of course, this only works if you're in europe buyi…

The cookie pop ups were a thing before, I guess being able to opt-out is a neat feature but there are certainly companies who do not comply when you choose to opt-out. (Looking at you Verizon, yes I know it’s you behind “oath”.)

Any opt-out popups anyway aren't caused by GDPR anyway, as consent is 'GDPR-kosher' only if it's explicitly opt-in.

If I take no action, accept the default conditions and don't opt out of anything, then that must be interpreted as me not granting permission to anything - there are a bunch of data use-cases that you're allowed to do without my consent, so you don't need the popups for that, but otherwise no informed explicit affirmative action means no consent.

Re: Ask HN: Could EU residents comment on how the GDPR has improved their privacy?

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I explicitly have to give my consent to certain processing, and my relationship as a customer is not affected if I do not give consent.

For example, I now am far more willing to consider signing up for a loyalty card, as long as they don't use my data for profiling purposes. I didn't have many cards before, but the number has grown.

Same thing applies to online shops: I am far more willing to create an account when I see that my rights are being observed, and I can eg delete my data easily.

This, of course, assumes a processor that would rather be compliant with the GDPR in its current form, rather than fight it. Facebook, for example, needs to profile, and is using an IMO ridiculous interpretation of the GDPR to weasel it out of the consent issue. Let's hope the courts do the right thing.

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