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Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by elorant »

nullbull wrote: post #159

Why take them down? That's someone's free speech right? This is what we're told about false information and political ads with outright lies in them, aren't we? Why would this be any different? Rather predictable that the "line" for taking something down suddenly appears when you're lying to Facebook. Lie to other users and it's fine... as long as you are a real commodity, ahem, I mean "person." Cease to lie in a way…

Because it breaks ad targeting, or to be more precise makes ads obsolete because you're promoting products to someone who isn't who they say they are. Advertising is the essence of Facebook's existence. And they'll go a long way to ensure it works as a clock.

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Post by banads »

buzzkillington wrote: post #109
throw_m239339 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Journalists were lied to and have very little means of independent investigation Plenty of foreign journalists didn't buy what the US government was saying and refuted its claims with facts, the whole idea that Saddam Hussein had nukes or WMD was completely preposterous, it's just that US journalists were afraid of being labelled traitors if they didn't go along with the Irak war. Journalists are people after all.…

I don't understand why you're being downvoted. This was a fact during the Iraq invasion. Anyone who got the story right got fired. Everyone who parroted the administration line, even when it was blindingly obvious it was a lie, got promotions.

>Soon after the show's cancellation, an internal MSNBC memo was leaked to the press stating that Donahue should be fired because he opposed the imminent U.S. invasion of Iraq and that he would be a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program

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Post by nzealand »

ohithereyou wrote: post #187
swiley wrote: post #180

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That sounds like ancient Jewish law. The whole point of Christianity is that the ancient Jewish law isn’t valid anymore because of Christ.

Incorrect: https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

The christian bible was independently written by multiple authors over hundreds of years.

If you are going to treat these writings as a single cohesive narrative, you still have to keep in mind the context.

One of the most interesting aspects of the writings Jesus, is that he only ever taught Jews. Jesus in fact never really laid out a formal theology of what to do after his death, he simply stresses that the second coming would be very soon.

The only person to discuss the applicability of the Torah to non jewish followers of Jesus is Paul. Paul is extremely clear that the Jewish law does not apply to non Jews.

It's also interesting that Paul never met Jesus, that Paul persecuted christians until a burning bush talked to Paul in a moment of divine inspiration, and afterwards Paul largely relied on his excellent knowledge of jewish scripture to explain why the jewish scripture no longer applied anymore.

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Post by drdeca »

ohithereyou wrote: post #187
swiley wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like ancient Jewish law. The whole point of Christianity is that the ancient Jewish law isn’t valid anymore because of Christ.

Incorrect: https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

I think this point could use more commentary and context.

There are many verses which deal with “what now if the law?”, and I think a fuller understanding requires reading more than one of them.

For example, there is, of course, the parts about the dietary restrictions part of the law.

But that isn’t all. Male converts to Judaism were required to be circumcised, but NT verses say that this is not required to convert to Christianity (though, not phrased like that of course), and in talking about this, it also talks about what the law succeeds in, and what it, well, not fails in, but, it’s insufficiency in the face of human failure?

I’m saying this not to say that the NT condones sex between two cisgender men (indeed, I believe that at one point after the resurrection, some apostles are on an island, and are telling the people there about Christ, and the text describes the homosexual sexual practices practiced by those native to the island as (in at least one common translation. This is by memory.) as “unnatural”, which seems to me to indicate disapproval, though I haven’t looked at commentary on how this was worded in the original Greek.)

My apologies for not including links and citations; I haven’t gotten out of bed yet this morning, and am typing this on my phone.

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Post by drdeca »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #71
roywiggins wrote: post #68

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That's a tautology!

A good tautology can be helpful in revealing errors in reasoning. Like here, the sentence "ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to" sounds reasonable; the equivalent statement "best reasoning is the most persuasive" is clearly wrong.

“Stating tautologies is sometimes necessary in the presence of those who believe self-contradictions” - paraphrased from weird sun twitter

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Post by sgt101 »

ben_w wrote: post #178
sgt101 wrote: post #151

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Ask yourself (and your bible) "what did Jesus say"? And "what would Jesus do"? I believe that Jesus did not speak at all about homosexuality. There is no indication that he attacked or held any anger towards homosexuals. Conversely Jesus was strongly anti-capitalist! No money changing or animal selling in temples folks! But fundamentally - when reading the bible your question must be "am I a Christian - or not?" what…

It’s fine that you interpret the bible that way. Certainly I’ve seen Christian pro-gay-rights memes that say Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Unfortunately, this whole thread seems to be on the topic of “It’s a shame that mass-dissemination of information demonstrably fails to make the best ideas into the most popular ideas [0]” — and although you interpret the bible that way, I’ve witnessed many profess Christia…

To paraphrase someone else "to the extent that their beliefs and actions differ from the words and deeds of Christ they are not Christians".

Remember there have been 1000's of people practicing grotesque child abuse while professing Christianity, and yet one of the most frank and flat statements of Christ is "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

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Post by rapind »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #127
ekianjo wrote: post #66

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> "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." Should be: "When everyone has a printing press, the most persuasive ones are the ones people listen to"

The issue isn't who is the most persuasive. The problem is confirm bias and echo chambers. People aren't persuaded any more. Now they make emotional trigger snap assumptions and then only consume that which fits the narrative of the assumption.

I think almost everyone agrees that echo chambers at massive scale are really bad for society... and yet it's still as, if not more, prevalent as ever.

We're letting the world burn for the sake of online advertising revenue and broken business models.

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Post by ben_w »

sgt101 wrote: post #196
ben_w wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fine that you interpret the bible that way. Certainly I’ve seen Christian pro-gay-rights memes that say Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Unfortunately, this whole thread seems to be on the topic of “It’s a shame that mass-dissemination of information demonstrably fails to make the best ideas into the most popular ideas [0]” — and although you interpret the bible that way, I’ve witnessed many profess Christia…

To paraphrase someone else "to the extent that their beliefs and actions differ from the words and deeds of Christ they are not Christians". Remember there have been 1000's of people practicing grotesque child abuse while professing Christianity, and yet one of the most frank and flat statements of Christ is "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone…

Ick factor aside, that sounds like a “No True Scotsman” argument to me.

Be aware that if I, as a lapsed neopagan, am asked to judge which Christians are acting in accordance with the deeds and words of an entity that I regard as fictional as my own pantheon, there might not be any “True Christians” left.

To focus on the point, how about a biblical example: Parable of the Sower, specifically that sown on the path and in the thorns.

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Post by lostgame »

primitivesuave wrote: post #105
nemild wrote: post #9

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One of the scariest quotes for me was Facebook's Little Red Book in 2012 (a book handed out to every employee) that had this quote: > "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." In retrospect, it gives a ton of insight into the flawed beliefs within the company. https://twitter.com/nemild/status/1006533287378968576 https://www.businessinsider.com/…

In the century that the printing press was invented, one of the most popular books to be printed was the Malleus Maleficarum, which systematized the practice of witch burning in the following centuries. Better dissemination of ideas does not necessarily mean better ideas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

Yeah, and then, almost as bad, we have the Bible, and as a result, Westboro Baptist Church.

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Post by joshspankit »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #184
tempodox wrote: post #176

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Would anybody expect the truth from FB? No way they wouldn't spin this to their best possible advantage.

I would expect the NYT to do some proper reporting though instead of copy/pasting Facebook’s press releases.

What leads you to expect that?
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