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Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:44 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #171

mirimir wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why is it still there? I'm sure that at least some Abrahamic writings didn't get included in the Christian Bible. Or even in the Tanakh.

> So why is it still there? Why is it part of the Christian Canon? Because it provides important context for later material, e.g., Acts 15. The controversy in the early Christian Community over the application of the Jewish ritual law to gentile Christians is hard to understand without the Jewish ritual law. Also, not all Christians are gentile Christians.

Thanks.

Maybe this is a dumb question (having had no religious instruction) but do all modern Christians (except, I guess, some fundamentalists) understand that the Old Testament doesn't apply to them? If that's so, it seems like that stuff should be flagged somehow, to avoid misunderstandings.

Or do some modern gentile Christians perhaps go further, and believe that the old Jewish ritual law was a misunderstanding, and not an accurate statement of God's will? And if so, who are they?

Also, who are the modern non-gentile Christians?

I found a site that explains some of this,[0] but have no clue about its reliability. The root is here.[1]

0) http://www.winternet.com/~swezeyt/bible/origins/jwGn.htm

1) http://www.winternet.com/~swezeyt/bible/origins/originsMain....

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by cpayne624 » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

mattr47 wrote: post #107

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Require manual profile validation for new Facebook accounts? Probably would get downvoted if I said SSN + a credit check. Phone number required + needs to be validated + can not be reused + can not be Twilio. Prove your address? Prove your ISP cable bill? I don't know. Everything I guess, people here are going to tell me it's an invasion of privacy and they don't trust Facebook to do it. But they'll let CreditKarma h…

So more big brother stuff is what you are suggesting. How about people not rely on FB for news.

Easy to say, but people will still do it. And those people vote and affect policies that, in turn, affect you and me.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by sbarre » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

nullbull wrote: post #159

Why take them down? That's someone's free speech right? This is what we're told about false information and political ads with outright lies in them, aren't we? Why would this be any different? Rather predictable that the "line" for taking something down suddenly appears when you're lying to Facebook. Lie to other users and it's fine... as long as you are a real commodity, ahem, I mean "person." Cease to lie in a way…

Facebook is a private enterprise. Free speech doesn't apply. Compliance with government/social pressure is what applies (for better or worse).

That's the thing that so many people don't get.. Facebook is not a public space. You have no inherent rights there, and they can do whatever they want with your acccount/content/etc (or at least whatever their TOS says)..

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by mgiannopoulos » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

tempodox wrote: post #176

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #51

Reported by Snopes for months now, not “discovered” by Facebook https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/10/11/pro-trump-outlet-link...

Would anybody expect the truth from FB? No way they wouldn't spin this to their best possible advantage.

I would expect the NYT to do some proper reporting though instead of copy/pasting Facebook’s press releases.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by wyxuan » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 2:47 PM UTC

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #51

Reported by Snopes for months now, not “discovered” by Facebook https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/10/11/pro-trump-outlet-link...

This isn’t any the bl but rather accounts that helped disseminate the bl’s stuff, which snopes doesn’t discuss

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

> Saw a video on YouTube of the President saying something bad? No idea if it's real anymore.

I've lived through enough presidencies to assure you that it never mattered if it was real or not. Supporters ignored or excused it, opposition treated it like the end of the world. Sane people stopped paying attention long ago to keep their sanity.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by ohithereyou » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:22 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #180

MiroF wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the book straight up says that, right? Like regardless of what was actually done, it literally says it right there: 'If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.'

That sounds like ancient Jewish law. The whole point of Christianity is that the ancient Jewish law isn’t valid anymore because of Christ.

Incorrect: https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by Supermancho » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:29 PM UTC

mattkevan wrote: post #125

ekianjo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." Should be: "When everyone has a printing press, the most persuasive ones are the ones people listen to"

It’s more like “When everyone has a printing press, the ideas people listen to are the ones that have been pushed relentlessly by a millions-strong AI generated bot army.”

Product success via pure advertising volume, is not an effective strategy. Maybe that oversimplification needs work.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by qrbLPHiKpiux » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

They need to be paid appropriately and must be absolutely unbiased, also.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #181

dragonwriter wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So why is it still there? Why is it part of the Christian Canon? Because it provides important context for later material, e.g., Acts 15. The controversy in the early Christian Community over the application of the Jewish ritual law to gentile Christians is hard to understand without the Jewish ritual law. Also, not all Christians are gentile Christians.

Thanks. Maybe this is a dumb question (having had no religious instruction) but do all modern Christians (except, I guess, some fundamentalists) understand that the Old Testament doesn't apply to them? If that's so, it seems like that stuff should be flagged somehow, to avoid misunderstandings. Or do some modern gentile Christians perhaps go further, and believe that the old Jewish ritual law was a misunderstanding,…

> Maybe this is a dumb question (having had no religious instruction) but do all modern Christians (except, I guess, some fundamentalists) understand that the Old Testament doesn't apply to them?

I know of no modern Christian group that doesn't have a general understanding that the applicability of the OT law to Christians is, at a minimum, limited by the explicit terms of Acts 15. OTOH, there's obviously quite a bit of variation in what particular bits of the OT law modern Christian groups think actually still applies.

> If that's so, it seems like that stuff should be flagged somehow, to avoid misunderstandings

It's kind of (in general, not necessarily the specific passage in particular) the reason that the Catholic Church spent a very long time not being particularly happy with people without specific training reading the Bible themselves rather than going through tainted clergy as gatekeepers.

> Or do some modern gentile Christians perhaps go further, and believe that the old Jewish ritual law was a misunderstanding, and not an accurate statement of God's will? And if so, who are they?

Without getting into boundary disputes about where "Christian" ends, sure, there are probably groups that identify as Christian that believe that.

> Also, who are the modern non-gentile Christians?

One interpretation is that anyone who has ever been a Jew remains one and boundy the law even if they become Christian. (Of course, even the Jewish understanding of Jewish law seems to have h evolved—and become quite diverse—considerably since Christianity split off, and I'm not sure how much that influences theology as to what precepts, precisely, apply to modern Jews who become Christians.)