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Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by rsnor »

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

I had the thought a day or so ago that a system could be created to tie images to their respective cameras with a private key stored inside of a chip that self-destructs when you attempt to read the key from outside of it, along with a trust hierarchy of certs from various camera manufacturers. A little like hardware auth tokens mixed with PKI.

Does that sound like something that would be feasible to produce/practical in the real world?

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by Kalium »

rsnor wrote: post #141
jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

I had the thought a day or so ago that a system could be created to tie images to their respective cameras with a private key stored inside of a chip that self-destructs when you attempt to read the key from outside of it, along with a trust hierarchy of certs from various camera manufacturers. A little like hardware auth tokens mixed with PKI. Does that sound like something that would be feasible to produce/practica…

Feasible? Sure, to the limits of what we can do with secure enclaves today.

Desirable? Well, you've created a system that authenticates a camera as being at a place at a time. It's a good way to authenticate photos, but a bad way to stay anonymous.

How do you feel about photographers and journalists becoming even larger targets for anyone who wants to keep a secret?

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by yc_2345 »

pushpop wrote: post #31
Barrin92 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or simply charge a few bucks for account creation.

You then run the risk of excluding developing economies. Unless you adjust the payment to be region specific, in which case you’d just get foreign powers (be that corporations or state sponsored) using their wealth to fund hordes of new registrations from said developing economies; thus negating the benefit of a sign up fee.

As someone who grew up in a developing economy, I find this view extremely patronizing. Usually, what happens is that a local company fills that demand gap.

Also, I think it is good for all parties concerned, because most developing economies will have a big problem becoming developed economies if their people are under constant surveillance from entities who may benefit from their continuation as developing economies.

Case in point: the US dollar is a horrible currency if looked at in isolation - after all, why the heck should the rest of the world pay American kids lots of money to have a great time at college and then turn around and default on their debt? Student loan forgiveness is almost a certainty over the next few years. But people still flock to the US dollar because it is far better than the other places money could go. There may be a hint of conspiracy theory in this, for sure, but it does not require a wild stretch of imagination to expect that the country where Facebook/WhatsApp/Instagram is headquartered actually has a real incentive to foment violence in other countries and make their own economy and thus currency look better in comparison.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by sherr »

GarrisonPrime wrote: post #114
mathgenius wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 1850's it was widely believed that the invention of the telegraph would bring about world peace. The problem is language itself . We trust it way too much to convey meaning, and truth. But it's just a delusion, or a mirage, in much the same way that the search for artificial intelligence is. In fact, I would say that language itself is the first AI invented.

Some of the ancient Greeks were aware of the limitations and drawbacks of language. Rumor is some of the Spartans took it so far as to refuse to read or write, and even speak as spartan (heh) as possible.

Not only some Spartans. Socrates did not write anything down (Plato did that for him), thinking that writing was a poor way at finding out about the world e.g.

https://newlearningonline.com/literacies/chapter-1/socrates-...

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by dragonwriter »

lazysheepherd wrote: post #128
shijie wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re referring to the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, well, I’m sorry to say that the excerpt from “The God Delusion” or wherever you learned this simplistic piece of misinformation is, in fact, incorrect. Shocker. In fact, there is no account of capital punishment, in regards to this law (killing homosexual men), in Jewish history. As for Judaism, Rabbinic tradition understands the Torah's system of capital punish…

Did not know about it, so just checked +20 different versions/translations[1] of the said verse in the bible, and scripture could not have been sharper and clearer on several points; - men who had sex with another men - should be killed - they deserve it Would you point me to a source/insight maybe? Else I will believe, that this is too, as I have witnessed countless times personally, nothing but an apologetic approa…

It says the same thing about men who have sex with their wives during the latter’s menstrual cycle, in the same chapter.

OTOH, like virtually of the rest of the old testament statutes applicable to the Jewish people, these and most of the other prohibitions in that chapter and the surrounding ones is voided as to non-Jewish Christians (though one might infer from it a continuing prohibition on same sex marriage from it), see Acts 15:28-29, where the apostles, addressing the acts of some in the early Christian community attempting to apply the Mosaic law in its entirety to gentile Christians, declared: “It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.”

Now, it's true that some modern Christians do exactly (or, rather more often, a cherry-picked subset of it) what the council in Acts 15—directed, as Scripture says, by the Holy Spirit—reacted against and declared invalid.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by [deleted] »

mathgenius wrote: post #81
nemild wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the scariest quotes for me was Facebook's Little Red Book in 2012 (a book handed out to every employee) that had this quote: > "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." In retrospect, it gives a ton of insight into the flawed beliefs within the company. https://twitter.com/nemild/status/1006533287378968576 https://www.businessinsider.com/…

In the 1850's it was widely believed that the invention of the telegraph would bring about world peace. The problem is language itself . We trust it way too much to convey meaning, and truth. But it's just a delusion, or a mirage, in much the same way that the search for artificial intelligence is. In fact, I would say that language itself is the first AI invented.

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Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by eitland »

rsnor wrote: post #141
jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

I had the thought a day or so ago that a system could be created to tie images to their respective cameras with a private key stored inside of a chip that self-destructs when you attempt to read the key from outside of it, along with a trust hierarchy of certs from various camera manufacturers. A little like hardware auth tokens mixed with PKI. Does that sound like something that would be feasible to produce/practica…

something similar was done a number of years ago but cracked later. I think it was Nikon who had it and the proof of the crack was someone signed the Beatles crossing the road with a Nikon camera key.

Meanwhile secure enclaves are now possibly a lot safer, but as Kalium mentioned it might not be very attractive for everyone.

For forensics experts however it could become very useful I believe.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by jeremysalwen »

sporkologist wrote: post #123
throwawaybbb wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic that all journalists got the Iraq war wrong without the need for fake news. We don't need real journalists, we need a way to pay for news that makes accurate reporting profitable.

They absolutely got fake news. "Aluminum tubes" anyone?

Do I need to tell you what the fuck you can do with an aluminum tube!?!

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by sgt101 »

mathgenius wrote: post #81
nemild wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the scariest quotes for me was Facebook's Little Red Book in 2012 (a book handed out to every employee) that had this quote: > "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." In retrospect, it gives a ton of insight into the flawed beliefs within the company. https://twitter.com/nemild/status/1006533287378968576 https://www.businessinsider.com/…

In the 1850's it was widely believed that the invention of the telegraph would bring about world peace. The problem is language itself . We trust it way too much to convey meaning, and truth. But it's just a delusion, or a mirage, in much the same way that the search for artificial intelligence is. In fact, I would say that language itself is the first AI invented.

Interestingly some people see novels and plays as vital tools for creating better decision makers. By entering into another persons imagination we can experience events and lessons that we would never have access to in real life or by observing real events in our communities. So - yes, Artificial Intelligence on the page.
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