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Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by ajmurmann »

jeffdavis wrote: post #7

It will be interesting when the election cycles start to cross over into eachother. For instance, start lining up primaries for an election 5 years away. We could be in a permenent election, with people slowly positioning themselves to be elected sometime later. Then, we can finally give up and just draft our representatives. Two months before it's time for new politicians to take over, they would draw names, and do…

Trump never stopped campaigning as it is. He has been holding rallies this entire time.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by wayoutthere »

avivo wrote: post #14

I actually just published a guide on how you can help ensure that ("deepfake") tools that you make are less likely to end up misused like this: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614912/ethical-deepfake-t... Curious what folks think. I also just posted it to /newest if you want to respond there.

I'm not sure it even matters if the tools are used at all -- the mere "boogeyman" factor that it's possible will likely cause people to start discounting video evidence as real. The same happens with altered photos already. Nobody believes a photo anymore.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

catalogia wrote: post #32
avivo wrote: post #14

I actually just published a guide on how you can help ensure that ("deepfake") tools that you make are less likely to end up misused like this: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614912/ethical-deepfake-t... Curious what folks think. I also just posted it to /newest if you want to respond there.

Is anybody old enough to remember if people once had analogous reactions to software like photoshop?

I am (mid-forties) and started using Photoshop around version 2. People definitely worried about the integrity of photographic evidence.

I think what's different now is the combination of much more powerful cheaper tools (those fake GAN generated faces are likely taken from one of the sites making them for free) vs Photoshop at the time was thousands of inflation-adjusted dollars.

This is coupled with a much more efficient peer to peer and unvalidated news system (which there's much to like), but consider Dan Rather. He was forced out of CBS Evening News and producers were fired for having been fooled by (not producing) digitally forged memos for a story critical of George W. Bush. [1]

Contrast that to whatever group is putting up fake stories and accounts of Facebook, there are no repercussions.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rather#Killian_documents

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by davidw »

pjc50 wrote: post #35
account73466 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most powerful agent is the one which manages to confiscate our only real asset - our time. Trump is pretty good at it with all the controversies he is generating. AI-assisted systems will be targeted at maximizing this interaction metric. You are slowly cooked by your favorite entertainer of the day to be then fed with an opinion which you take as your own. It is not novel at all.

This. Fact-checking is more time consuming than making things up. So they can drown out the fact checkers easily. And the facts are often uncomfortably murky. Whereas the lies build loyalty and belonging, an ideal basis for a movement.

> Fact-checking is more time consuming than making things up.

AKA the "bullshit asymmetry principle"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Bullshit_asymmetry_pr...

"Both sidesism" is a closely related problem.

"We interviewed Elena, a geophysicist, about the different ways scientists collect data about the planet we live on and the cosmos it's situated in. On the other side, Bob from the internet offers his theory about the earth being flat".

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

ajmurmann wrote: post #51
jeffdavis wrote: post #7

It will be interesting when the election cycles start to cross over into eachother. For instance, start lining up primaries for an election 5 years away. We could be in a permenent election, with people slowly positioning themselves to be elected sometime later. Then, we can finally give up and just draft our representatives. Two months before it's time for new politicians to take over, they would draw names, and do…

Trump never stopped campaigning as it is. He has been holding rallies this entire time.

Who are those people who go to political rallies? This feels so alien to me. Americans support their politicians like the rest of the world their local club and badge and vice versa.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by tomrod »

sjwright wrote: post #22

It doesn’t matter how autonomous and free thinking you are or any other individual is— social media is transforming us into a collective. Like ants excreting pheromones, our actions in aggregate are more powerful than any individual, the result being whatever results from this untested cocktail of biology, language and global connection. It’s unprecedented and borderline unpredictable. Nobody is in a position to dire…

I think the rise in awareness and practice of mindfulness counteracts this dystopic march.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by saalweachter »

dilyevsky wrote: post #21
tabtab wrote: post #3

Fake people reading and writing fake news on fake websites? If this keeps up, we'll end up with a fake President. Don't give me negative points, for this is a fake reply.

The world has gone full Philip K Dick

I occasionally think about the end of The Man in the High Castle, when the characters realize they are living in a fictional alternate history.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by jinpan »

To blend in with humans, these fake profiles could take advantages of AI progress on the Turing test to converse with real people, ultimately befriending (some high fraction of) us.

The persuasive effects of these fake friends on (political) advertising are terrifying.

Re: People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

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Post by boring_twenties »

saalweachter wrote: post #58
dilyevsky wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world has gone full Philip K Dick

I occasionally think about the end of The Man in the High Castle, when the characters realize they are living in a fictional alternate history.

WTF man? Not everyone has read everything already...
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