Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by chrstphrhrt » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 9:54 PM UTC

"Discovers", yeah sure.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

dv_dt wrote: post #6

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

In part, imho, the distrust comes from the the standards of the highest tiers of professional journalists being on a low right now too.

People don’t want to pay for good journalism, nevermind spending time to read and evaluate if it is or isn’t good journalism. Maybe it’s not even realistic for everyone to do that.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by btown » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:01 PM UTC

nemild wrote: post #9

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

One of the scariest quotes for me was Facebook's Little Red Book in 2012 (a book handed out to every employee) that had this quote: > "When everyone has a printing press [i.e., Facebook], the ones with the best ideas are the ones people listen to." In retrospect, it gives a ton of insight into the flawed beliefs within the company. https://twitter.com/nemild/status/1006533287378968576 https://www.businessinsider.com/…

I can see this being a naïve but realistic take given what we knew in ~2008. In 2012 it should have been clear that this model could be gamed. And it's on Facebook that their culture wouldn't allow them to see that.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by username4567 » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:04 PM UTC

I look forward to this block of fake accounts registering to vote and voting by mail. Will any accounts go rogue and defy their creators? How does a candidate appeal to this influential group?

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by MuffinFlavored » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:06 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #5

And so it appears that the inevitable has 'finally happened'. Mark Zuckerberg's website is now a place not to be trusted as a source of news, finding friends and meeting others if there's a possibility of AI generated profiles being proliferated on the website. I've heard that meeting real humans outdoors makes it less likely to be deceived. Their authenticity is vouched via word of mouth and experience by other huma…

Require manual profile validation for new Facebook accounts?

Probably would get downvoted if I said SSN + a credit check.

Phone number required + needs to be validated + can not be reused + can not be Twilio.

Prove your address? Prove your ISP cable bill? I don't know. Everything I guess, people here are going to tell me it's an invasion of privacy and they don't trust Facebook to do it.

But they'll let CreditKarma have every bit of financial information related to them possible.

People will apply for a credit card online (employer, address, social, income)... make a universal login process for that.

Maybe like blue Twitter verified checkmarks next to all profile names. "Verified human"

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by jacquesm » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:13 PM UTC

dv_dt wrote: post #6

jedberg wrote: post #4

It's ironic that as we move into a world where anyone can be a "journalist" and anyone can have a voice, we need professional journalists more than ever. Now a journalist will not only need training in writing well, conveying a story with facts, and investigating, but they will also need to become experts in identifying fake source material. In a world where anyone can make a video or photo of anyone doing anything,…

In part, imho, the distrust comes from the the standards of the highest tiers of professional journalists being on a low right now too.

It's not the journalists but their bosses that are the problem.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by tschellenbach » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

For many use cases it would be great to have a real/verified oauth service. Dutch government does something like that with digid. Imagine how much fraud could be prevented if there was something like that in the US.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by jethro_tell » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #15

rvz wrote: post #5

And so it appears that the inevitable has 'finally happened'. Mark Zuckerberg's website is now a place not to be trusted as a source of news, finding friends and meeting others if there's a possibility of AI generated profiles being proliferated on the website. I've heard that meeting real humans outdoors makes it less likely to be deceived. Their authenticity is vouched via word of mouth and experience by other huma…

Require manual profile validation for new Facebook accounts? Probably would get downvoted if I said SSN + a credit check. Phone number required + needs to be validated + can not be reused + can not be Twilio. Prove your address? Prove your ISP cable bill? I don't know. Everything I guess, people here are going to tell me it's an invasion of privacy and they don't trust Facebook to do it. But they'll let CreditKarma h…

The problem is that a lot of people can't even fathom the idea of automating something like account generation. It takes them two support calls and an 1 1/2 hour to log into their email. They don't even understand what's possible, and a blue checkmark won't/doesn't solve that.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by jethro_tell » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

joeblubaugh wrote: post #3

“Discovers” People have been talking about this group for months and Facebook hemmed and hawed and delayed and delayed

lol, I came here to put that word in quotes.

Re: Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles

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Post by bart_spoon » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:23 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #15

rvz wrote: post #5

And so it appears that the inevitable has 'finally happened'. Mark Zuckerberg's website is now a place not to be trusted as a source of news, finding friends and meeting others if there's a possibility of AI generated profiles being proliferated on the website. I've heard that meeting real humans outdoors makes it less likely to be deceived. Their authenticity is vouched via word of mouth and experience by other huma…

Require manual profile validation for new Facebook accounts? Probably would get downvoted if I said SSN + a credit check. Phone number required + needs to be validated + can not be reused + can not be Twilio. Prove your address? Prove your ISP cable bill? I don't know. Everything I guess, people here are going to tell me it's an invasion of privacy and they don't trust Facebook to do it. But they'll let CreditKarma h…

Seems like an incredible amount of work for something that at the end of the day doesn't actually provide much value to users or the world.