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Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/10/20689644/apple-zoom-web-s... https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696529/apple-mac-silent...

Well, since the discussion was about iPhones that both have a tighter security model and where every app has to go through the App Store, I fail to see the relevance.

That’s a distinction without a difference.

The iPhone has the same mechanism.

The references demonstrate that they would use it if they needed to.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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>I doubt that Apple is going to let the Russian government create the image or use some type of nationwide MDM or Enterprise. >On the other hand, this should be an excellent test of Apple’s security and review process.... In between your two contrasting comments, lies the rub of how much further Apple is willing to capitulate to the demands of nation states ─ who demand nothing less. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/2…

And that’s political not imposing technical changes on their devices.

I don't follow..pray tell, what are these arbitrary rules?

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Well, since the discussion was about iPhones that both have a tighter security model and where every app has to go through the App Store, I fail to see the relevance.

That’s a distinction without a difference. The iPhone has the same mechanism. The references demonstrate that they would use it if they needed to.

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Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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And that’s political not imposing technical changes on their devices.

I don't follow..pray tell, what are these arbitrary rules?

What rules? Has Apple ever made a technical change to iOS that made it less secure in response to a government request?

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Crimea only appears as Russian if you're viewing it from within Russia, which recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine. If you're viewing Crimea from Ukraine, it will appear as Ukrainian, because Ukraine recognizes Crimea to be part of Ukraine. That seems fair, doesn't it?

That means that American companies like Apple have admitted that Crimea is a part of Russia, not just an occupied territory of a foreign country? Despite the fact that there are no international treaties that would confirm transferring this territory to Russia?

Not really. It only shows that way in Russia. So they are admitting that Russia thinks that it’s a part of Russia.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Crimea only appears as Russian if you're viewing it from within Russia, which recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine. If you're viewing Crimea from Ukraine, it will appear as Ukrainian, because Ukraine recognizes Crimea to be part of Ukraine. That seems fair, doesn't it?

That means that American companies like Apple have admitted that Crimea is a part of Russia, not just an occupied territory of a foreign country? Despite the fact that there are no international treaties that would confirm transferring this territory to Russia?

If you look at Kashmir using Apple Maps, it will look different depending whether you are in India, Pakistan, or China. Is Apple recognizing one of those countries claims any more than the other?

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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I don't follow..pray tell, what are these arbitrary rules?

What rules ? Has Apple ever made a technical change to iOS that made it less secure in response to a government request?

The entire premise of the article is to highlight the fact that a government has expressly requested Apple into allowing pre-approved apps to be installed and make use of the ecosystem, on their terms. I ask once again, where is the separation or distinction being made between the political and technical, in this case?

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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What rules ? Has Apple ever made a technical change to iOS that made it less secure in response to a government request?

The entire premise of the article is to highlight the fact that a government has expressly requested Apple into allowing pre-approved apps to be installed and make use of the ecosystem, on their terms. I ask once again, where is the separation or distinction being made between the political and technical, in this case?

The difference is that if an app that has to be installed by mandate only has the same rights as any other apps that can be downloaded from the App Store, it doesn’t change the security of the underlying system. If the app is restricted to the same permission and sandboxing model.

Heck, Apple could theoretically make the sandbox more restrictive.

On top of that, changing the name of a country is a server side change and changes data. That’s no different technically if France mandates that all movies had to have French subtitles.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Well, since the discussion was about iPhones that both have a tighter security model and where every app has to go through the App Store, I fail to see the relevance.

That’s a distinction without a difference. The iPhone has the same mechanism. The references demonstrate that they would use it if they needed to.

The difference is that on the iPhone, when they see a class of bad actors or a real threat model that they didn’t see before, they can tighten the sandbox much easier than they can on the Mac. The zoom fiasco could be prevented on Mac entirely just by clicking on an option that restricts apps from running in the background.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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This very worrying, particularly because Apple recently caved in and marked Crimea as Russian...

Crimea only appears as Russian if you're viewing it from within Russia, which recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine. If you're viewing Crimea from Ukraine, it will appear as Ukrainian, because Ukraine recognizes Crimea to be part of Ukraine. That seems fair, doesn't it?

Do you know what it says if Im actually in Crimea?
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