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Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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This very worrying, particularly because Apple recently caved in and marked Crimea as Russian...

Crimea only appears as Russian if you're viewing it from within Russia, which recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine.

If you're viewing Crimea from Ukraine, it will appear as Ukrainian, because Ukraine recognizes Crimea to be part of Ukraine.

That seems fair, doesn't it?

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

#32
Unpopular opinion.

Putting all the conspiracy theorists aside the intent of the law is actually to gain what western countries have a new phone that has localized apps that non-English speakers can use.

For some apps, like twitter, translation of the ui is enough for some others local apps are just better.

Knowing how laws are being implemented in Russia it is hard to tell what this will turn out into, most operators already wrote an open letter to the president to not sign the law, but it was still signed.

So I see it more as an attempt to created isolated marked similar to china one rather than total surveillance scenario.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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>Local digital-rights activists like Artem Kozlyuk are worried, saying that these apps could “secretly collect information: location, tools and services being used and so on”. Technically impossible. >The apps can be deleted, but only if users know to do that Like any other app. >and there are suspicions that they might leave behind backdoors into users’ phones after they are gone. Technically impossible. I can't rea…

It's only technically impossible if the system software and/or hardware can't be compromised/exploited. If you are just going by the intent and marketing of any platform vendor, plenty of things are technically impossible. But exploits and flaws in software and hardware exist, and the resources a nation state can bring to bear to find and use them are significant. There is a reason vendors run bug bounty programmes,…

I know someone would come up with this argument. But Apple and the community will be looking at those apps closely. Even if they managed to slip an exploit into them, it wouldn't last long.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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If Apple trusts the security of its own operating system, it should be able to sandbox the apps just like any other app. While the US doesn’t force companies to install apps, it does force companies to support E911 and the system used for Amber alerts and other mandated alerts.

>While the US doesn’t force companies to install apps

The US doesn't need to. Most companies dominating the field are US based. If they weren't, the US would turn protectionist and require specific favors from them to let them operate in the USA pronto...

A lot of the grandstanding "we would never do that" stems from this dominance...

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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>Local digital-rights activists like Artem Kozlyuk are worried, saying that these apps could “secretly collect information: location, tools and services being used and so on”. Technically impossible. >The apps can be deleted, but only if users know to do that Like any other app. >and there are suspicions that they might leave behind backdoors into users’ phones after they are gone. Technically impossible. I can't rea…

I'm afraid there aren't many details in the rest of the article. Just scare-scare-scare. "The world’s biggest company" (is Apple the biggest? I thought it's smaller than Google, but never checked) vs "an autocrat with nuclear weapons". You know who to root for :-) Anyway, full text of the article below: ==== Who will win the tussle between Apple, the world’s biggest company, and Vladimir Putin, an autocrat with nucle…

https://www.dogsofthedow.com/largest-companies-by-market-cap...

Google/Alphabet hasn't broken the trillion dollar ceiling yet, that's limited to Microsoft, Apple and Saudi Aramco

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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If Apple trusts the security of its own operating system, it should be able to sandbox the apps just like any other app. While the US doesn’t force companies to install apps, it does force companies to support E911 and the system used for Amber alerts and other mandated alerts.

It's not only about integrity of the phone.

Imagine a state requested application tracks location and sends that up (yeah, need is little as devices can be tracked over cell towers relatively good) when installing they'd certainly require permissions to be set accordingly.

Also from Apple's perspective it's about the brand. They don't want to have preloaded crap on a fresh device, where the user can't distinguish whether it comes from Apple or the state.

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