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Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by mrlala »

saiya-jin wrote: post #27
davidy123 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very clever but insulting comparison. iPhone and Android (and etc) are both clearly smartphones with the same general features. I have to use an iPhone for work. I try to get the most out of it, but am constantly surprised how primitive and clunky it is compared to the Android experience.

Never had an Apple product so no personal experience - colleague recently bought an Apple flagship phone (I think previous gen before current gen came). After few days he was hugely disappointed how little he can tweak the device. What is there works fine, but that can be also said about phones for 20% of the price. For him, there was nothing more that would justify the price. When he sees how much horsepower I have…

>disappointed how little he can tweak the device. What is there works fine

So.... if it works fine why do you need to tweak it?

As someone who is moving from android to iphone shortly, I am highly excited to have a device that "just works" and will stay updated. The last thing I want in a phone is to have to manage it. I have my PC for that part of my life.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by ses1984 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #30
ses1984 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the sanctions on Huawei were about stopping the penetration of Chinese devices into American networks and businesses for security reasons.

No one has actually managed to find and actual security reasons not to accept Huawei devices. There were some really poorly informed stories that listed standard features (telnet support in routers) and tried to play them up as a sinister commie plot but they were all pretty laughable. Most countries (for instance here in the UK) assess infrastructure equipment, providers can only buy from the approved and have for d…

Sure, backdoors will slip under security audits, until one day they're revealed and you find out you've been pwnt all along.

I don't think the US is innocent either, of course tech that we use internally and export is probably backdoored out the wazoo.

I would rather assume almost everything I use is backdoored one way or another, and operate that assumption, rather than assume the opposite to be true and be wrong.

It's not a dramatic headline. Governments spying on each other and their citizens is the boring default state of the things.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by matthewdgreen »

LatteLazy wrote: post #30
ses1984 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the sanctions on Huawei were about stopping the penetration of Chinese devices into American networks and businesses for security reasons.

No one has actually managed to find and actual security reasons not to accept Huawei devices. There were some really poorly informed stories that listed standard features (telnet support in routers) and tried to play them up as a sinister commie plot but they were all pretty laughable. Most countries (for instance here in the UK) assess infrastructure equipment, providers can only buy from the approved and have for d…

It's important not to shift the goalposts. Western security establishments are concerned that once Huawei has overwhelming marketshare in systems like 5G networks, they will have the ability to use these against target nations. They (at least the credible agencies) are not claiming that current Huawei devices are backdoored now.

Even if you believe the worst about China and Huawei, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of strategic sense for them to implant backdoors into products now, when marketshare is still small and growing rapidly. You'd add the backdoors once you had network dominance, like the US did.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by sidibe »

LatteLazy wrote: post #28
bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

When the sanctions came out, I was surprised that Apple and Google DIDNT go nuclear. It seems pretty obvious that the nation of China won't just voluntarily give up all it's western smart phones. So the only other medium term alternative would be to begin work on a domestic OS. Apple and Google (and the US economy and tech sector by extension) are the big losers from that, China the big gainer. It's not quite Tin Foi…

Google has little to lose from Chinese sanctions and probably gains from competitors being hurt.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by manishsharan »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #3

I use a Huawei - it takes surprisingly great photos and is generally well made. Some annoying software pop-ups, though. I guess the worst part is that I feel the need to loudly state that "I support the actions of the Chinese government" on a regular basis, just to be safe.

I got a P30 PRO recently. The battery life is so good -- I get almost 2 days even with constantlye being on Twitter and Whatsapp.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by gardaani »

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #6
bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

This posting's article also had a side bar link to a suggested article on the same news site, CN Tech Post. China is releasing its own OS, too (Unity OS -- UOS): https://cntechpost.com/2019/12/13/china-made-operating-syste...

Their plan is to replace foreign PCs and software in all government offices and public institutions in three years. It means replacing 20-30 million PCs! That will definitely also accelerate the OS development. https://www.ft.com/content/b55fc6ee-1787-11ea-8d73-6303645ac...

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by soylentcola »

mrlala wrote: post #31
saiya-jin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never had an Apple product so no personal experience - colleague recently bought an Apple flagship phone (I think previous gen before current gen came). After few days he was hugely disappointed how little he can tweak the device. What is there works fine, but that can be also said about phones for 20% of the price. For him, there was nothing more that would justify the price. When he sees how much horsepower I have…

>disappointed how little he can tweak the device. What is there works fine So.... if it works fine why do you need to tweak it? As someone who is moving from android to iphone shortly, I am highly excited to have a device that "just works" and will stay updated. The last thing I want in a phone is to have to manage it. I have my PC for that part of my life.

I guess (as someone else pointed out) it comes down to a difference in requirements and expectations.

I've mostly used Android for phones since they do the same general things as iPhones, they work fine out of the box, and stay updated since I only buy phones with good update policies.

The main difference isn't in how well they succeed, but in how they "fail". It's true that current iPhones have added most of the features I found lacking in the past, but there are still a few that have no real workaround. Changing default apps is still limited, browser restrictions are annoying, and there's no easy way I know of to enable system-wide ad blocking.

When a phone "just works" as I want 98% of the time, the difference to me is how able I am to get it working as I want the other 2% of the time. Obviously this is only based on my needs and expectations so I don't expect anyone else to share them.

I just bought a new phone for my partner and she has always used iPhones so that's what I bought for her. She prefers them and that's fine. Only real annoyance there was paying $750 for a phone with a 828x1792 LCD and 64GB storage when I paid $550 for my phone a year ago and it has a 1080x2280 AMOLED display and 128GB storage.

I know "specs don't matter" but it was still surprising. Even with Apple's market cachet and whatnot, I expected the higher price but also expected a bit more parity with a year-old phone. It's no surprise that some buyers are looking toward Chinese and other OEMs.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by BoorishBears »

davidy123 wrote: post #20
adriantam wrote: post #15

Lego is the world's No 1 wheel maker. Michelin is far behind Lego in counts. But when you need a wheel for your car, you look for Michelin. Same here. Huawei phone and Apple phone are for different market. You shouldn't compare like that.

That's a very clever but insulting comparison. iPhone and Android (and etc) are both clearly smartphones with the same general features. I have to use an iPhone for work. I try to get the most out of it, but am constantly surprised how primitive and clunky it is compared to the Android experience.

It's not overly insulting. The phones both Samsung and Huawei sell in BRIC and African markets are very different than what Americans are seeing from both, and I wouldn't be surprised if those phones make up a large bulk of their profits on Android.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by nrp »

ehnto wrote: post #4
bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

The leverage the US has over China is in manufacturing anyway. Huawei sanctions were a red herring.

And pork, apparently: https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/12/pork-apocalypse-african...

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by charles_f »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #3

I use a Huawei - it takes surprisingly great photos and is generally well made. Some annoying software pop-ups, though. I guess the worst part is that I feel the need to loudly state that "I support the actions of the Chinese government" on a regular basis, just to be safe.

> I feel the need to loudly state that "I support the actions of the Chinese government" on a regular basis, just to be safe.

Have you noticed that the battery was going up when you do that?

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