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An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by jkoudys »

hobbio wrote: post #8
pvaldes wrote: post #4

Autistic children are children, the same full irritating, exhuberant, noisy and magnet for troubles in a small package than before, but with a plus of cleverness, strange ways to do things, uncommon hobbies and extravaganza. The idea that an ill children tired and with less energy than usual would behave better is not a total surprise.

They say when having fever, the mice communicate with peers better. When children are under the weather, they don't seem to communicate better.

"I want bunny I want it bunny! I WANT IIIIIIT!" [gets bunny, immediately hurls it across room] "I don't like it I don't want it! I don't like bunny waaaah!" [3 seconds pass] "I want bunny!"

My daughter, every time she has a cold, which since daycare is almost always.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by loriverkutya »

swebs wrote: post #2

And vaccines prevent infections. So in other words... :P

They are not preventing the infection itself, they are allowing your immune system to kill the infection before it develops into the full blown disease.

(No it is not funny, because people and children dying because of this bullshit)

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by Filligree »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #9
swebs wrote: post #2

And vaccines prevent infections. So in other words... :P

> The researchers began by studying mice that exhibited behavioral symptoms due to exposure to inflammation during gestation. They injected these mice with a bacterial component called LPS, which induces a fever response, and found that the animals’ social interactions were temporarily restored to normal. So if you get your kid sick enough you can temporarily pretend they aren't autistic, and really put to the test t…

Calling what happened to those mice "autism" is a massive stretch indeed. I don't see that this research tells us much.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by bernierocks »

pvaldes wrote: post #4

Autistic children are children, the same full irritating, exhuberant, noisy and magnet for troubles in a small package than before, but with a plus of cleverness, strange ways to do things, uncommon hobbies and extravaganza. The idea that an ill children tired and with less energy than usual would behave better is not a total surprise.

" but with a plus of cleverness, strange ways to do things, uncommon hobbies and extravaganza"

You present autistic children like they are all little Sheldons from the Big bang theory, when the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

Autism is a spectrum where a certain percentage of kids are as you say, but many can't do anything without the help of an adult and certainly aren't going to have 'uncommon hobbies' or 'cleverness'.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by ossworkerrights »

eitland wrote: post #5
ossworkerrights wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thoughts exactly! That would be a bizarre turn of events.

Not too fast, it goes both ways: > In 2016, they showed that mice born to mothers who experience a severe infection during pregnancy are much more likely to show behavioral symptoms such as deficits in sociability, repetitive behaviors, and abnormal communication.

My comment is a pun, not a show of support for anti vaxx, not sure why am I getting down-votes.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by loa_in_ »

There is also at least one study showing (at least) flu infection compelling humans to be more sociable and outgoing, but it was (now that I think of it) conducted by comparing self reported social interaction counts before and after a flu vaccine containing (of course) flu virions.

See references in this article, because I have trouble copying them on mobile.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/darwins-subterrane...

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by hobbio »

jkoudys wrote: post #11
hobbio wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say when having fever, the mice communicate with peers better. When children are under the weather, they don't seem to communicate better.

"I want bunny I want it bunny! I WANT IIIIIIT!" [gets bunny, immediately hurls it across room] "I don't like it I don't want it! I don't like bunny waaaah!" [3 seconds pass] "I want bunny!" My daughter, every time she has a cold, which since daycare is almost always.

My bad, you make me remember. When children were smaller, indeed they were quite energetic up to until some quite high degree fever.

Now they are older, and fever starts to knock them out sooner. Fever suppressants make them bouncy again still (so no rush to give them until 38.7-ish, as long as they drink well etc).

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

ossworkerrights wrote: post #15
eitland wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not too fast, it goes both ways: > In 2016, they showed that mice born to mothers who experience a severe infection during pregnancy are much more likely to show behavioral symptoms such as deficits in sociability, repetitive behaviors, and abnormal communication.

My comment is a pun, not a show of support for anti vaxx, not sure why am I getting down-votes.

Posts mainly intended as humor are usually downvoted on HN.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by greenshackle2 »

pvaldes wrote: post #4

Autistic children are children, the same full irritating, exhuberant, noisy and magnet for troubles in a small package than before, but with a plus of cleverness, strange ways to do things, uncommon hobbies and extravaganza. The idea that an ill children tired and with less energy than usual would behave better is not a total surprise.

You're thinking of high functioning autistic people, which is understandable because they're the only ones you are likely to meet - a severely autistic child might be non-verbal, and constantly screaming because of sensory overload. You will not meet those because they stay home or institutionalized.

Re: An immune molecule can sometimes influence the social behavior of mice: study

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Post by reportgunner »

Filligree wrote: post #13
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The researchers began by studying mice that exhibited behavioral symptoms due to exposure to inflammation during gestation. They injected these mice with a bacterial component called LPS, which induces a fever response, and found that the animals’ social interactions were temporarily restored to normal. So if you get your kid sick enough you can temporarily pretend they aren't autistic, and really put to the test t…

Calling what happened to those mice "autism" is a massive stretch indeed. I don't see that this research tells us much.

may or could in the title means won't
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