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Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s the case and the apps are allowed on the App Store, they still have the same issue.

Forcing the apps to go through their approval process likely discourages some malicious behavior. Even if Apple approves an app they can still yank it at any time should the discover an issue. Require Apple to include apps and anything goes.

From the article, it will be able to be deleted just like any other app. I doubt that Apple is going to let the Russian government create the image or use some type of nationwide MDM or Enterprise. certificate.

It could go through the same app review process.

On the other hand, this should be an excellent test of Apple’s security and review process....

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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If Apple trusts the security of its own operating system, it should be able to sandbox the apps just like any other app. While the US doesn’t force companies to install apps, it does force companies to support E911 and the system used for Amber alerts and other mandated alerts.

Why do you trust the security of US emergency alerts? We know about security flaws in SMS, MMS and iMessage. I’m guessing not as many people outside the government know about the flaws in emergency alerts, but in this case I’d be most worried about them.

I’m saying just the opposite. The threat model of an app that Apple has to install that goes through the security and review is the same as any other app on the App Store.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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post #8

If Apple trusts the security of its own operating system, it should be able to sandbox the apps just like any other app. While the US doesn’t force companies to install apps, it does force companies to support E911 and the system used for Amber alerts and other mandated alerts.

Depends if the law says "Apple must install what we provide, so long as it complies with their policies and is in their judgement secure" or if it merely says "Apple must install what we provide"

I would hope that Apple is not depending on the review process to keep the platform secure instead of depending on the security of the operating system.

If Apple does find that the app breaches its security process during a review, they should treat it as any other security vulnerability and fix the problem.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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This very worrying, particularly because Apple recently caved in and marked Crimea as Russian...

Give enough money and they will mark US as Zimbabwe. It is a corporation that exists to make money for shareholders, duh.

What are you worrying in particular anyways? Do you really think that Apple installing the mandated apps or refusing to do so is going to sway Russian lawmakers. I do not think they give a hoot. Neither Apple marking Crimea as Russian will affect what Merkel, Macron, US senate will do about Russia. On that scale of things the Apple is big nothing.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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This very worrying, particularly because Apple recently caved in and marked Crimea as Russian...

Is this location dependent? In other words do you only see this if you’re using your phone in a particular region?

On my device, I’m seeing “Crimea, Ukraine” when I search for it. The border with other parts of Ukraine also looks like a border for national subdivisions as it fades when zooming out.

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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post #9

>Local digital-rights activists like Artem Kozlyuk are worried, saying that these apps could “secretly collect information: location, tools and services being used and so on”. Technically impossible. >The apps can be deleted, but only if users know to do that Like any other app. >and there are suspicions that they might leave behind backdoors into users’ phones after they are gone. Technically impossible. I can't rea…

I'm afraid there aren't many details in the rest of the article. Just scare-scare-scare. "The world’s biggest company" (is Apple the biggest? I thought it's smaller than Google, but never checked) vs "an autocrat with nuclear weapons". You know who to root for :-)

Anyway, full text of the article below:

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Who will win the tussle between Apple, the world’s biggest company, and Vladimir Putin, an autocrat with nuclear weapons? On December 2nd Russia’s president signed a controversial law that will prohibit the sale within Russia of devices that do not come pre-loaded with locally produced applications. The legislation, which will come into force next July, has been dubbed the “law against Apple”, as it disproportionately affects the tech giant, known for its insistence on keeping tight control of the apps it allows on its devices.

The law’s sponsors have described it as a way to protect Russian internet companies, as well as to help elderly citizens who may find smartphones difficult to use, though it is not yet known which Russia-made apps will have to be installed. Local digital-rights activists like Artem Kozlyuk are worried, saying that these apps could “secretly collect information: location, tools and services being used and so on”. The apps can be deleted, but only if users know to do that—and there are suspicions that they might leave behind backdoors into users’ phones after they are gone.

The legislation follows another recent law promoting a “sovereign internet”; from November 1st the government has awarded itself the power to sever the Russian internet (known as the “RuNet”) from the rest of the globe. This is worrying for many local internet activists and experts, even though there are doubts that current network infrastructure could support it. Even before that, in the name of data protection, websites that refuse to build data servers on Russian territory, including LinkedIn, have been blocked. And this week the Russian authorities alarmed techies by raiding the Moscow offices of Nginx, an American-owned web-server company in dispute with a Russian one. The Apple showdown may be intended as a lesson to other giants, particularly Google (which owns YouTube) and Facebook; these companies present grave challenges to the Kremlin’s monopoly on information.

Apple officials may think the Russian market too small to be worth the policy change, but the company has recently proved willing to make another controversial concession. Starting in late November, Apple’s maps and weather apps, when used inside Russia, have denoted the Crimean peninsula, Ukrainian territory illegally annexed by Russia in 2014, as Russian. Even when used outside Russia, the weather app shows Crimean cities without (unusually) stating which country they are in, while Apple maps introduces a mysterious dotted line dividing the peninsula from the rest of Ukraine.

Apple may have offered this olive branch in the hope of smoothing relations with Moscow, but its actions have contributed to a growing sense of insecurity in Ukraine, where the foreign minister, Vadym Prystaiko, has accused Apple of “not giving a damn” about his country. A spokeswoman for Apple says that it is “taking a deeper look at how we handle disputed borders”. But a group of European parliamentarians has lodged a formal complaint and damage has already been done to the company’s reputation.

Unlike Facebook and Google, Apple had mostly avoided political scandal until now. It has six months to decide whether or not to quit the Russian market. The world, and Ukraine, will be watching to see if it caves in to the Kremlin’s demands.

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Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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post #16

This very worrying, particularly because Apple recently caved in and marked Crimea as Russian...

Is this location dependent? In other words do you only see this if you’re using your phone in a particular region? On my device, I’m seeing “Crimea, Ukraine” when I search for it. The border with other parts of Ukraine also looks like a border for national subdivisions as it fades when zooming out.

It’s location-dependent. Crimea is shown as within Russia’s boundaries only “when viewed from Russia”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50573069

Re: Russia presses Apple to install Kremlin-approved apps

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The point of law is not to force backdoors but to counter monopolies.

Google devices come with Google maps, search and so on. When people get new devices, often they will stick to whatever is pre-installed.

Russia is probably on of the few countries that has perfectly capable alternatives, like Yabdex. So now people will have an option to choose what to use - Google, Apple or yandex apps.

Obviously owners of the platforms (apple and Google monopolies) are not to happy to lose control.

That of course does not mean that Russian government won't try to force some fishy stuff on devices. Ukraine is completely separate and orthogonal issue.

See Matt Stoller's take on the broader issue - https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/how-russian-antitrust-enf...

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