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Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by [deleted] »

WalterBright wrote: post #206
tempestn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was what made me convert from bookmarking to clipping pages into Evernote around 6-7 years ago. I realized I had this huge archive of reference bookmarks that were almost useless because 1) I could rarely find what I was looking for, if I even remembered I'd bookmarked something in the first place, and 2) if I did, it was likely gone anyway. With Evernote I can full text search anything I've clipped in the past…

I store bookmarks (i.e. URLs) in a simple .txt file. My text editor lets me click on them to bring them up in a browser. > Only downside is I'm dependent on Evernote No special software nor database required.

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Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by chispamed »

Tepix wrote: post #310

I agree with all the points except for "Obsessively compress your images". The same argument as point 2 ("Don't minimize that HTML") applies: It's an extra step in the queue, and you lose some quality in the result. Besides, bandwidth and storage will only get cheaper. Unless you have a site that contains thousands or more images, chances are you won't really notice the difference the compression makes. Maybe for pre…

I disagree, image compression is still highly relevant and will stay relevant for a long time. It’s not about hosting costs and hosting bandwidth, it’s about user bandwidth.

I frequently travel between countries by train and bus and when outside cities it’s almost impossible to get any non-optimized page to load. And this doesn’t even only extend to the time spent inside the train. Depending on the country (all developed) and which phone operator my phone decides to switch to, I have slow mobile internet about half of the time. This is also one of the reasons why I prefer to read HN over other sites: HN loads, others don’t.

Most images on a modern website don’t really contribute anything substantial but are merely decorative. Image quality loss should therefore not be a problem for ~90% of images.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by ShamelessC »

6510 wrote: post #109

I have to compliment Jeff for first telling me unpopular things I already believe then adding sensible things to it (except the link back to his page) The idea ForEach person to write just one single web page is really wonderful. I'm going to have to deeply ponder that and make one. While I really like the permanent web and losing centralized control over data is a price worth paying (.... no wait, I would pay money…

Hm I really like the idea of using torrent as a Fail-Safe for media. How do you go about generating a magnet link for your videos?

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by larrywright »

duckmysick wrote: post #265
WalterBright wrote: post #257

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1. it's independent of the browser 2. it works with any browser 3. I can move it to any machine and use it 4. It is not transmitted to the browser vendor 5. Being a text file, it is under my control 6. I can back it up 7. I don't need some database manager to access it 8. I can add notes and anything else to the file 9. It's stupid simple

What happens when the website itself becomes unavailable?

For me, this is the problem that Evernote solves - it saves the entire content of the page, images, text, and clickable links.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by larrywright »

L_Rahman wrote: post #252
simongr3dal wrote: post #202

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Does pinboard caching work with sites that are behind a login or paywall?

It does not. See FAQ here: https://pinboard.in/upgrade/

This is the advantage to Evernote. Since it’s a browser extension, it has access to anything you have access to.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by Brendinooo »

This is nice, but that webfont bullet is a weird take. If you're hosting the font yourself and you're using a modern format, fonts don't add a lot of overhead, and if they happen to fail then the browser will take the next item down the stack. It's textbook progressive enhancement. Nothing about adding a webfont properly will prevent Web content from lasting and being maintained for 10 years.

"your focus should be about delivering the content to the user effectively and making the choice of font to be invisible, rather than stroking your design ego" - these aren't the only two options?

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by sneak »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #111
sneak wrote: post #96

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It would be nice if we had browsers that were actually user-agents that allow full pluggable customizability for all cookie, header, UI, request, and history behavior. Then, this would just be a plugin that anyone could install.

And then people install garbage extensions that break the browser and people think "Wow, this firefox browser is so buggy and slow" and switch to chrome. And then your extensions break with every single browser update because they are tampering with internal code. Everyone is free to fork a browser and apply any changes they want. Allowing extensions to change anything at all essentially is the same as forking and me…

Somehow that doesn’t seem to happen with editors; we have a ton of them and they are very customizable.

I guess “with a reasonably stable hook api” was supposed to be implicit in my statement.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by 6510 »

Brendinooo wrote: post #336

This is nice, but that webfont bullet is a weird take. If you're hosting the font yourself and you're using a modern format, fonts don't add a lot of overhead, and if they happen to fail then the browser will take the next item down the stack. It's textbook progressive enhancement. Nothing about adding a webfont properly will prevent Web content from lasting and being maintained for 10 years. "your focus should be ab…

haha right, the font is the only thing that has proper fallback and always works.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by pwg »

juliend2 wrote: post #146
alpb wrote: post #45

Frequently appearing http://danluu.com/ on HN is one of these sites that are absolutely minimal.

On my large screen, the lines are so long that it's difficult to read. But other than that, it's a nice inspiration for how minimal a website can be.

> On my large screen, the lines are so long that it's difficult to read.

The text on the page adapts to the width of the browser window in which it is viewed. The result is that everyone can obtain the line width they prefer by adjusting the width of their local browser that is rendering the page.

If the lines are too long, just pop the page out into its own window, narrow the width of just that window until the lines are at a comfortable length for you, and you'll have lines that are just right for you. This page is an example of where you are in control of how the site renders and can easily adjust it to your own tastes.

Re: This Page is Designed to Last

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Post by joshspankit »

I would actually shift this quite a bit to say if you’re designing your page to last 10 years, put it on the internet archive on day 1.

Invite them to crawl it, verify the crawl was successful, and even talk about that link on your page.

It removes the risk of domain hijacking, hosting platforms shuttering, and the author losing interest. P.s. The internet archive is doing excellent work. Support them.

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