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What absolute non-sense! There is no such religion called Hinduism. An average Hindu Punjabi has more in common with an average Muslim Pakistani (Language, Food, Music, etc.) than a Hindu Tamilian. But the Punjabi/Rajasthani and Tamilian or both clubbed into a single Hindu religion. A Tamilian sacrifices Goat to his God. But this is not accepted by the Brahminic Hinduism as a way of worship in their temples. But all…

Name may be modern, but Hinduism refers to Sanatan Dharm that is indigenous to India. Let's not confuse religion with culture. By the above logic: An average Pakistani has more in common with Hindu/Sikh Punjabi. A Bangladeshi had more in common with Hindu Bengali. Indonesian Muslims have more in common with Malay. Central Asians with watch other than Arabs, Africans with each other. Yet, there is singular Islam. Same…

> Name may be modern, but Hinduism refers to Sanatan Dharm that is indigenous to India.

Absolutely not. Tamil Sithar songs, Kannada Lingayata principles all oppose caste systems and make fun of vedic practices. Sanatan Dharm is all about discriminating people based on birth/caste.

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We know you are a Hindu, you are a brahmin and you support BJP. Please don't try the IT Cell tactics here. This election was through EVMs not through people

Political, nationalistic, and religious flamewar will get you banned on this site. Please don't post in this way in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Yeah sure! A bunch of anonymous internet accounts prove that you are Roman Catholic! A Roman Catholic follower of Sadhguru baba! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18961438 A Roman Catholic describes Indias ancient caste based education system. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17692797 I have a question - As a Roman Catholic, what is your opinion of India's ancient caste system?

Is there any rule, that only Hindus are allowed to follow Sadhguru. He is what he is. When somebody is good, I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning that. Regarding, Indian caste system, Initial attitude of caste was not the way it is practiced as now. There used to be free movement across castes. Workers are called Shudras, Business people are called Vaishyas, Warriors are called Kshatriyas, Intellectu…

I think I should make it very clear. All of your arguments are Hindu right wing talking points that are laughable to non-Hindus. You would not know this, irrespective of your protestations to otherwise, because you are a Hindu.

Take for example the standard right wing apologies for the caste system. That it evolved from something good to something bad. Caste system as a discriminatory tool existed even during the Ramayana and was practised by Lord Rama.

I am quoting from Hari Prasad Shastri's translation of Valmiki Ramayana.

"During the Dwapara Yuga it is a great crime for one of Shudra birth to perform such practices. At this time, in thine empire, a rigid penance is being undertaken by a wretched Shudra, O Prince, and this is the cause of the death of that child. An act of mortification that is prescribed is well done and a sixth of the merit goes to the king who rules with justice.

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On this that Prince approached the one who had given himself up to rigorous practices and said "Blessed art thou, O Ascetic, who art faithful to thy vows ! From what caste art thou sprung, O Thou who hast grown old in mortification and who art established in heroism. I am interested in this matter, I, Rama, the son of Dasaratha. What purpose hast thou in view? Is it heaven or some other object? What boon dost thou seek by means of this hard penance? I wish to know what thou desire in performing these austerities, oh Ascetic. May prosperity attend thee! Art thou a brahmin ? Art thou an invincible Kshatriya? Art thou a Vaishya, one of the third caste or art thou a Shudra? Answer me truthfully!" Then the ascetic, who was hanging head downwards, thus questioned by Rama, revealed his origin to that Prince born of Dasaratha, the foremost of kings, and the reason why he was practicing penance. Hearing the words of Rama of imperishable exploits, that ascetic, his head still hanging downwards, answered "O Rama, I was born of a Shudra alliance and I am performing this rigorous penance in order to acquire the status of a God in this body. I am not telling a lie, O Rama, I wish to attain the Celestial Region. Know that I am a Shudra and my name is Shambuka." As he was yet speaking, Raghava, drawing his brilliant and stainless sword from its scabbard, cut off his head."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambuka

Roman Catholic Christians have no interest in studying the Hindu caste system, Hindu scientific and mathematical contributions, teachings of Sadhguru baba etc. Your profile history exhibits an exorbitant amount of Hindu right wing apologetics and has zero, zilch, nada about the practice of Roman Catholicism. So, I strongly encourage you to stop astroturfing.

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There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified. Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh. It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees. Here is the reddit thread explaining the…

FYI /r/IndiaSpeaks is India's version of /r/The_Donald

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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This is a monstrous law. The first step is to make millions of people illegal. Next is to give all but Muslims citizenship. Muslims would be stripped off their right to vote. Even hitler would be inspired from such evil plans. (Also from the comments everyone can see how heartless people can be)

Same thing which Manmohan proposed in 2003: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/when-manmoha...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Is there any rule, that only Hindus are allowed to follow Sadhguru. He is what he is. When somebody is good, I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning that. Regarding, Indian caste system, Initial attitude of caste was not the way it is practiced as now. There used to be free movement across castes. Workers are called Shudras, Business people are called Vaishyas, Warriors are called Kshatriyas, Intellectu…

I think I should make it very clear. All of your arguments are Hindu right wing talking points that are laughable to non-Hindus. You would not know this, irrespective of your protestations to otherwise, because you are a Hindu. Take for example the standard right wing apologies for the caste system. That it evolved from something good to something bad. Caste system as a discriminatory tool existed even during the Ram…

> Yeah, caste system is bad. India would have been in better place is it isn't exploited.

I think, I clearly mentioned it is bad.

So what was your thought like, Indians just sprung up during Ramayana, people did exist before and they can also read and write.

As per Hinduism, Ramayana is not the ancient texts, there exists many texts before it. It is kind of recent one.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth but I'm going to pursue Hinduism in future, I don't speak about Christ because I live in India, and no.of people who discuss about it is less. I haven't read any Hindu texts, but I did read Bible.

Hinduism regarding to righteous living, have got it completely covered. Which is what I'm interested in knowing.

I'm generally interested in ancient history, religion and philosophy.

Hinduism had a very good coverage regarding philosophy and the living culture which is able to survive in modern times.

I didn't delve into Hinduism, but I'm going to after 2 or 3 years. Right now my focus is else where.

I'm not astroturfing, I'm generally interested in religion and anything which broadens my understanding, Hinduism seems to fit very well into it.

If you just hate that they are able to get too many things right, I can't do anything.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified. Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh. It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees. Here is the reddit thread explaining the…

FYI /r/IndiaSpeaks is India's version of /r/The_Donald

au contraire, /r/India is India's version of /r/The_Donald. As a centrist, I have seen debates on /r/IndiaSpeaks but any contrary opinion on /r/India is not tolerated at all.

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> Persecuted Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus have only India. Get your facts right before claiming something. For Buddhists India is not a good country as refugee, Dalai Lama and others have been in India for over 40 years, they are still considered as refugee not given passports, they travel as stateless (they are persecuted buddhist with evidence and proof). Top 10 places by population for buddhists in the world ar…

If India is not a good place, then why Dalai Lama is staying in India, he could have gone to some other countries. Buddhists who came from Tibet considers China have occupied their place, neither did these guys ever ask for Indian citizenship, When Dalai Lama goes to other place, he does it that way because to be an example indicating China have occupied their land and it rightfully belongs to them. One cannot get a…

> If India is not a good place, then why Dalai Lama is staying in India, he could have gone to some other countries.

This place is part of his own country historically called south Tibet, read Simla accord [1]. It was the ingenious diplomacy of Nehru to let China accept the McMahon line in 1962 war settlement, instead of using airplanes to fight back (at that time India had superior air power, but as new country will suffer tremendously). So in the end China got 阿克赛钦 (Aksai Chin) a dreary icy dessert and India got fertile south Tibet which is present Arunachal Pradesh. People in India might not know this is called to win some you lose some and Nehru is fantastic to see it as a visionary, India still lacks a leader like him and Gandhi.

I hope current leadership in India instead of thumping chest, understand it that to resolve a conflict, war is not the way. Also doing a worship of war machines doesn’t bring peace [2]. Mind and education are the most important tools to win any battle including with oneself, not the demonising of education.

There are protests in Tamil Nadu against the exclusion of Tamil Hindus by local Indians [3] , so again get your facts right before claims.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Accord_(1914)

[2] https://sputniknews.com/asia/201910091076994210-indian-defen...

[3] https://thewire.in/politics/why-lankan-tamils-muslims-exclud...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Why you try to repeat the Indian government propaganda. Just make one correction first Bangladesh is a secular nation like India with Muslim majority. This is the wisdom and adherence to secularism of India’s administration during that time (not sure but it was Indira Gandhi at that time, who insisted that Bangladesh should be a secular country like India, after it was freed by Indian military). This was overturned b…

> Bangladesh is a secular nation like India with Muslim majority. "Bangladesh Constitution establishes Islam as the state religion" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Banglad... Persecution of religious Minorities in Bangladesh - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Banglad...

Please don’t be a Wikipedia warrior, read the whole article and related links as well, get the information correct first. Ziaur Rehman tried to change secularism as fundamental tenet of constitution in Bangladesh, which is restored by Bangladesh’s Supreme Court [1].

Hope India’s Supreme Court can stand up to this current government’s religious dictatorship and uphold India’s secularism. At present they are postponing it until Jan 22, let’s see.

[1] https://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/bangladeshs-court-...

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