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Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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I wanna know more about these super fast library computers. The public library I worked in in 1999 used computer terminals that were just doing full-screen telnet sessions to a remote Internet host. It was like connecting to a BBS from my home modem.

Random other info: One time the application on the remote host crashed and dropped me to a Unix shell. ls showed the directory had around 50000 files. The system's name was "DS Galaxy 2000".

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Kind of related: does anyone else notice how long it takes to change channels on the TV these days? It used to be instantaneous when cable first came out and at some point it became this laggy experience where you'll press buttons on the remote and the channel takes forever to change. I hate it and it's one of the reasons I don't have cable any more.

Analog TV were real time at the speed of electrons minus some layers of inertia (capacitance say). Nowadays there's many layers of various quality, and software reactivity is a factor of so many things.

To be more accurate, the speed with which electrons move through the wire is rather low (which does not matter, of course, because the signals are carried by the electromagnetic forces which propagate very quickly).

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

#83

This is a very hard rant to read. The examples either aren't factually true or are poorly explained and the "solution" is largely nebulous. I feel like this topic has merit and with a well written article with real examples (both 2019 and 83) it could be something special, but this isn't that. I'd be interested to know how many upvoted based on the title/what they expected this to be, rather than after having tried t…

I upvoted it because I wrote and spoke this last 20 years.

Keyboard buffer. You know what is keyboard buffer?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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One that got worse and then better again at least in my experience is boot up time. Old computers running MS-DOS I remember booting up very quickly (unless you waited for the full memory self test), then for quite a long time it took forever to get into Windows no matter what you did to try to speed it up. More recently things start up pretty quickly again; I think it's mainly hardware (solid-state disks being the ma…

Still hasn't caught up to a c64. A flick, loaded.

If you keep your computer in suspend-to-RAM mode, it will do that and still use less power over time than the C=64 and its damn power brick.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

#86

Well, I think it's much more valid to claim it's much slower than 2000. Take for instance, Microsoft Office products. On a business class desktop, i3-i5, they are much slower than they were in 2000 in all aspects. Software has become slower as computers have zoomed in speed.

I agree I think this is generally more accurate. Browsing the web, writing documents, and navigating around (modest sized, not enterprise size)spreadsheets feels much slower than it did in the late 90s/early 2000s. I won't go back as far as 1983, but maybe 2003?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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This is a very hard rant to read. The examples either aren't factually true or are poorly explained and the "solution" is largely nebulous. I feel like this topic has merit and with a well written article with real examples (both 2019 and 83) it could be something special, but this isn't that. I'd be interested to know how many upvoted based on the title/what they expected this to be, rather than after having tried t…

I read the whole thing. I thought it was a pretty trash rant. My thoughts while reading roughly went::

"Everything was blindingly fast in the 80s!"

- Yes you fuckwad, it was the 80s and the vast majority of content was local to your machine, or your machine was really just a terminal wired to a nearby mainframe. Do I need to link the "latencies every programmer should know?" article yet again?

https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rcs/research/interactive_l...

The delay is not some UI designer out to get you, it's a fact of life when the data you want lives on a machine that is remote. Sadly RTT is still bound by the speed of light.

That's why there's a freaking spinner. Your computer and the UI has SO much time to kill waiting for the network that they can render a happy little dancing spinner for you.

"The mouse is a terrible invention"

- Oh really? I think it's actually a great tool for pointing and clicking on things. I grew up playing video games on computers. The mouse is first class input device that works incredibly well.

Better yet, its use doesn't vary all that much based on specific context and application. Yes, you had memorized your POS system well enough you can do it blind! Great, now fuck off. I use my computer across hundreds of applications every day. I have no desire to become a master of the hotkeys of each of those applications. I'd like to reserve the space in my head for things that matter.

"I want to clarify that I am literally talking about the future of the human race and I am deadly serious about this. It's not about me."

- No, I actually rather think it is exactly "about you". The author has failed to acknowledge the INCREDIBLY VAST expansion of a computer users reach over the last 30 years. I vividly remember playing my first multiple computer game. I was 10 and the computers had to be wired together with an old DB9 COM cable (branded a "gaming cable" at the time).

Now I can literally watch webcams on the other side of the world from my house. I can click a few buttons (on my shiny mouse, I might add) and start a chain of events that leads to direct action on the other side of the world, from shipping me cheap shit or to planting trees.

I can work from my house and still do my job just as well as if I were in the office. I can have a coworkers who live in Ukraine, Spain, Netherlands, Germany, etc. Not only can we be productive, we can laugh and chat online, or using video calls.

BUT FUCK! How dare they add some latency in the process of getting you all that.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The example for maps is not a "hyper specific use case": "The process you WANT: pick your start and end. now start searching for places in between. Your start and end are saved. When you find someplace interesting, add it to your list. Keep doing that, keep searching and adding." That's a common use case. The problem with Google maps (and the problem with a lot of modern software) is, as you say, it makes a lot of gu…

Why do you think that use case is that common? And why do you think google maps should elevate that particular use case above other competing use cases?

Gas station or McDonald's on the route to some far destination. I've done this in the android app and it works but it can be a little awkward.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The example for maps is not a "hyper specific use case": "The process you WANT: pick your start and end. now start searching for places in between. Your start and end are saved. When you find someplace interesting, add it to your list. Keep doing that, keep searching and adding." That's a common use case. The problem with Google maps (and the problem with a lot of modern software) is, as you say, it makes a lot of gu…

Why do you think that use case is that common? And why do you think google maps should elevate that particular use case above other competing use cases?

Search for destinations along your route is (finally) a feature in the gmaps mobile app. It isn't in the web-app. Apparently Google agrees that it is a desirable feature. Why does the UI-limited, small screen experience surpass the rich desktop experience?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

#90
I agree with much of this mainly because as a teenager in the ‘80s, I witnessed the speed and efficiency of secretaries navigating Wordperfect’s non-GUI. The POS ui in the tweet thread is similar. There’s certainly room to rethink the use of GUIs everywhere for everyone.
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