Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by gsnedders » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision
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Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by driminicus » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

Congrats to Mozilla and matrix.org! I am at least very happy they went with a FOSS solution.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by sandGorgon » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:51 PM UTC

Congrats to Riot/Matrix.

I'm hoping with Mozilla's backing the product, there's a lot of features that get built out.

There's no reason this cant be a Slack-beating product now.

I'm betting a Rust based homeserver replacing Synapse.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by webboynews » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:51 PM UTC

After the matrix repo hack (alright ) and the piss poor response and a complete lack of transparency (not alright) I would never touch matrix .

One of the responses there was: "there is so much hate here that it is making impossible to discuss asensitive issues like security "

It was the lamest excuse ever.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by kibwen » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

I'm pleasantly surprised! They took the route of "promising but underdeveloped technology" rather than settling for a well-developed solution that compromises their principles (which, frankly, I wouldn't have faulted them for; at the end of the day you still have to get work done). With luck maybe we'll see Mozilla contribute to Matrix? There is, after all, an implementation written in Rust: https://github.com/ruma

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by xfalcox » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:57 PM UTC

Can't wait for Mozilla to back a stable, native desktop client into a daily driver state so we can finally ditch Mattermost at work.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by jeltz » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

Nice, given how the discussions were going some months ago I was worried that they would pick some closed source solution like Discord or Slack. I have not used Matrix so I do not know how good it is, but I do not like the lock-in of Discord and Slack.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by dzypa » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 4:03 PM UTC

Daily reminder that Rust uses Discord, a closed source piece of software with draconian privacy and data retention terms.

Steve Klabnik will predictably reply to me saying that it was the decision of the community and blah blah, but the Mozilla Corporation should not have allowed it.

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by Majestic121 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 4:03 PM UTC

webboynews wrote: post #4

After the matrix repo hack (alright ) and the piss poor response and a complete lack of transparency (not alright) I would never touch matrix . One of the responses there was: "there is so much hate here that it is making impossible to discuss asensitive issues like security " It was the lamest excuse ever.

I don't find much info about this hack on google, can you provide some sources on this so that I can assess the response ?

Re: Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

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Post by feanaro » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 4:06 PM UTC

Majestic121 wrote: post #9

webboynews wrote: post #4

After the matrix repo hack (alright ) and the piss poor response and a complete lack of transparency (not alright) I would never touch matrix . One of the responses there was: "there is so much hate here that it is making impossible to discuss asensitive issues like security " It was the lamest excuse ever.

I don't find much info about this hack on google, can you provide some sources on this so that I can assess the response ?

Here's the post-mortem writeup: https://matrix.org/blog/2019/05/08/post-mortem-and-remediati...