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Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by woah » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:47 PM UTC

throwno wrote: post #236

overcast wrote: post #230

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Please take this as friendly. It sounds like maybe you're setting your expectations too high, and not giving other women a chance. In my experience women take what you write in your profile seriously. Spend what you would consider an inordinate amount of time perfecting it, like you would a resume for big job prospect. Get great photos taken of yourself, this doesn't require money or a professional service. Find good…

Tinder: LinkedIn for sex! Modernity is awful. The only good thing is improved medical care and food security. Everything is else is just bad.

Are you yearning for the days when you would be matched with the one available woman in your village? (She’s your second cousin, btw)

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by throw597643 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:48 PM UTC

overcast wrote: post #172

bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

> I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

You can pay for sex with women that look like Victoria’s Secret models or Playboy Playmates.

If you are just looking for casual sex, the amount of time, effort, and definitely luck to match with someone like that is rare.

For people that aren’t born handsome, tall, or physically attractive, the ability to earn money is a great equalizer.

Of course this is for casual sex. It’s different if you are actually looking for a long term relationship.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by logophobia » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

sqldevuser wrote: post #270

abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

sex trafficking is objectively not right. What is wrong with you?

He probably means legalizing prostitution, which would (hopefully) reduce trafficking if the demand can be met legally.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by bitwize » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #50

istjohn wrote: post #40

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Freedom and liberty is one argument for legalization, but I don't think there are enough hard core Libertarians to be a major force in this debate.

It isn't a particularly hard-core position. They aren't a major force in the debate but there will be a very substantial demographic who don't care one way or the other but are in principle happy to leave well enough alone. They'd probably have a mild preference for not arresting people for no reason. Prostitution has been legal in Australia since around the 90s. Nobody particularly cares^. The only people who it has…

They will be outnumbered and shouted down by conservative Christians on one side and radical feminists on the other, who will raise a panic that legalizing prostitution will lead to sin and debauchery/women being exploited, respectively.

This is a MUCH bigger problem in the US than in Australia.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by briandear » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:50 PM UTC

throw_m67657 wrote: post #262

throw_m239339 wrote: post #217

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> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery. https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse... ?

The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of…

> From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to.

Interesting. Do they have social services for those that wish to quit computer programming? Or quit hair dressing?

The fact that there needs to be a social service around this particular profession is indicative that this particular profession is probably harmful to the service provider and it probably also means that this isn’t a profession that a girl willingly accepts and perhaps there is value to not promoting this industry.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by afarrell » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:50 PM UTC

Quarrelsome wrote: post #109

paggle wrote: post #100

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Almost every person on earth could have swung in any direction if they had hung out with different people. If you or I hung out with Ancient Egyptians our whole lives we would have thought burying kings with living slaves was about as normal as surfing Hacker News.

which holds the implication that people as an abstract between now and ancient Egypt are not actually that different. They're just responding to different stimuli in their respective environments.

yes, on biological basis it is true that Republicans and Democrats are pretty similar. They are in fact the same species. Even if Democrats in 2019 might be statistically more likely to have genes for sickle-cell Anemia... is that relevant?

I think the relevant questions are:

- "What are the mindsets they've actually absorbed over their lives?"

- "How do they evaluate evidence?"

- "How do they evaluate the competence and character of judicial and executive appointees?"

- "Whom do they rely on for expertise?"

- "How do they reason about the role of government?"

- "How do they design policies?"

- "How do they spot potential unintended consequences?"

- "How do they communicate with constituents?"

- "Whose perspectives do they believe it is important to consider?"

- "Whom do they consider key to re-election?"

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by yters » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

Fjolsvith wrote: post #244

fw_double_e wrote: post #234

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so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.

Except the sex industry isn't at all as scalable as the pot industry. You can't grow a field of ass and sell it yourself. Plus, the cost of entry is pretty low, I hear.

Robot sex will be the next big thing.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by afarrell » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #228

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #125

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That's an implication a lot of people will do a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid because it means you can't just ignore the misadventures of various societies throughout history by saying "we're smarter now" or something like that.

None of the educated people I know would think “we’re smarter now” after studying history.

If someone dismissively thought "we're smarter now", would they bother to study history?

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Post by tumetab1 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #169

istjohn wrote: post #40

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Freedom and liberty is one argument for legalization, but I don't think there are enough hard core Libertarians to be a major force in this debate.

Usually women are fighting for more or the same rights. Why would they fight to restrict their own rights?

Maybe you can check the feminist movement history. For example, many were against abortion for various reasons, one of them was that it allowed men to pressure them to get one.

You can read prostitution legalization as a right to choose to use your own body for profit or you can read prostitution banning as the right for not being used for profit from your body.

Many imagine is a simple thing but all the other values come into play.

Some people think a embryon is more important that a women choice. Some think that right to sell your body is more important than to legally allow women oppression through sex work.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by afarrell » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

misnome wrote: post #119

belorn wrote: post #86

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I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent. Being pro-prostitution here is the same as being pro-rape which is very anti-feminist in eye of the Swedish public and people with such views are seen as far-right. The two arguments that people here use is that a person that do sex for money would not had done so voluntary, thus t…

How do either of the arguments not apply to every single job or task that anyone does for renumeration? I would not do my job without being paid, therefore I am being forced to work against my will?

I have seen multiple feminists make the argument that the phrase "selling their bodies" also applies to football players, chemical workers[1], coal miners. I find it fairly persuasive.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I