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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by macinjosh »

codingdave wrote: post #216
abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

Current laws make no distinction between the two. The State calls all prostitution 'sex trafficking'. So yes.. by the government's definition consenting adults is sex trafficking.

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Post by [deleted] »

overcast wrote: post #172
bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

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Post by Fjolsvith »

shams93 wrote: post #223
codingdave wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

Plus, you'd have the assistance of legal sex workers in rooting out the traffickers.

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Post by Fjolsvith »

fw_double_e wrote: post #234
shams93 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.

Except the sex industry isn't at all as scalable as the pot industry. You can't grow a field of ass and sell it yourself.

Plus, the cost of entry is pretty low, I hear.

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Post by GhettoMaestro »

fw_double_e wrote: post #234
shams93 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.

I’ll permit regulatory capture, rather than accepting “pimp-hand” capture.

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #243
shams93 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

Plus, you'd have the assistance of legal sex workers in rooting out the traffickers.

Nice use of Aussie slang, mate.

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Post by paulgb »

jariel wrote: post #124
paulgb wrote: post #30

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It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.

First - every country legislates morality in a variety of ways, and making/keeping prostitution illegal is not merely a religious issue. The majority of people oppose decriminalisation [1] even in fairly progressive Ontario, Canada, 6 in 10 oppose it [2] Second - it's a very reasonable course of action to make an activity which is deemed harmful - actually illegal. "Smoking is bad" -> "Let's make it widely available"…

Sure, I think we actually mostly agree. My issue with SESTA/FOSTA is that if trafficking is truly the issue, it's far from clear to me that this was the right approach -- there have been credible pleas, including from law enforcement, that shutting down online solicitation would make it harder to fight actual trafficking because it drives it underground.

Meanwhile, SESTA/FOSTA effectively puts such a burden on web operators that even legitimate sites (like Craiglist personals) have been shut down out of fear that they will be liable if someone misuses them. This is even true in states and municipalities that choose to legalize prostitution. The effect of SESTA/FOSTA is to usurp states' ability to decide for themselves how they want to regulate the sex trade, at least as far as it comes to the communication platforms they can use. If the intent of SESTA/FOSTA was to inhibit prostitution that didn't involve trafficking, fine, but that's not how it was sold by elected Democrats.

I wouldn't be so cynical about this, except that there is a long history in the US of using moral panic around trafficking to enforce moral preferences -- look at how the Mann act was used against interracial couples, for example. I'm all for helping actual victims of trafficking, but using outrage about trafficking for other political purposes upsets me.

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Post by Pigo »

colmvp wrote: post #218
overcast wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. I suppose if the goal is to hit way above your weight, paying makes sense. Money does seem to have that effect on women. But if you have that much, you should be able to pull it easily without prostitution?

> It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. lol citation needed. I've used dating apps for the last four years. I've gotten maybe 3-4 dates per year, and 0 relationships out of it.

I met my wife on a dating app. She was my girlfriend in junior high and just happened to have gotten a divorce, and was starting to date again. So it worked for me :) Just try to find someone you've already had a relationship with.

Seriously though, I feel your pain. I had let the account lapse for months before I happened to get back on there and see that she had written me. Dating apps become a joke exponentially as you get older.

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Post by Mirioron »

overcast wrote: post #230
colmvp wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. lol citation needed. I've used dating apps for the last four years. I've gotten maybe 3-4 dates per year, and 0 relationships out of it.

Please take this as friendly. It sounds like maybe you're setting your expectations too high, and not giving other women a chance. In my experience women take what you write in your profile seriously. Spend what you would consider an inordinate amount of time perfecting it, like you would a resume for big job prospect. Get great photos taken of yourself, this doesn't require money or a professional service. Find good…

You still need to be somewhat attractive for all of this to matter. Not everyone is.

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Post by [deleted] »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #217
abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery. https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse... ?

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