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Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by 0xcafecafe » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #203

refurb wrote: post #188

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The reason it’s baffling to you is because you’re viewing it through your own ideological bias. Maybe, just maybe, that poor coal miner knows exactly what he’s voting for because that’s what he wants?

Exactly! No one or very few would question the wealthy when they vote against their self interest. It’s somewhat condescending to accept wealthy people voting against their immediate self interest and at the same time condemning the poor for voting against their perceived self interest from the POV of non poor people.

The cost of a rich person vs a poor person of voting against their own self interests is not the same. And I am not condemning anyone. To me, it is just contrary to the PP's statement of Americans thinking about themselves and not about others.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by narag » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #116

paulgb wrote: post #30

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It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.

It seems to be a universal phenomenon (I see similar trends in many European countries, including mine) and I wouldn't use the word "played". The left seems to be as keen on legislating morality as the right.

Right/left axis is becoming useless, except as a branding system. It's much more useful to find out if someone is outcome/negotiation oriented vs. thinks in absolutes.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by overcast » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

FussyZeus wrote: post #219

overcast wrote: post #172

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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

You talk about this in such a way that makes me think you're a virgin. In the odd event you're telling the truth, I'm guessing you're rife with STDs. I can see lots of benefits with just paying for it. They show up, do the thing, and leave. You get to determine when and where (mostly). You get an enthusiastic partner regardless of the effort you yourself put in, and exactly the sort of sex you want. If I had the mone…

This was really uncalled for. Nothing I wrote, has anything to do with what you wrote in the first two sentences. I was asking a question, because I was curious as to the reason.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by fw_double_e » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

shams93 wrote: post #223

codingdave wrote: post #216

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Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

shams93 wrote: post #223

codingdave wrote: post #216

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Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

Brothels are allowed in most (but not all) Australian states including NSW (Sydney) and Victoria (Melbourne), they're just tightly regulated.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by throwno » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:50 PM UTC

overcast wrote: post #230

colmvp wrote: post #218

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> It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. lol citation needed. I've used dating apps for the last four years. I've gotten maybe 3-4 dates per year, and 0 relationships out of it.

Please take this as friendly. It sounds like maybe you're setting your expectations too high, and not giving other women a chance. In my experience women take what you write in your profile seriously. Spend what you would consider an inordinate amount of time perfecting it, like you would a resume for big job prospect. Get great photos taken of yourself, this doesn't require money or a professional service. Find good…

Tinder: LinkedIn for sex!

Modernity is awful. The only good thing is improved medical care and food security. Everything is else is just bad.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by turk73 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

excalibur wrote: post #198

jandrese wrote: post #193

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Didn't that turn out to be bullshit though?

Probably. But nobody knows for certain, the government destroyed the evidence.

Ah, so it implicated some of their own people, eh?

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Post by celticmusic » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

codingdave wrote: post #216

abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

Not in the US there isn't, they still go to jail.

That law didn't just affect sex traffickers, it affected ALL sex workers. Craigslist famously shut down its personals as a result of it.

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Post by crazygringo » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

overcast wrote: post #172

bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

I'm not defending it, but just to educate you: "easily free" is as far from the truth as it could be. The reality is:

Spend hours picking photos and putting together a profile. Now for each person you have sex with, imagine you spent another 5 hours swiping, yet another 5 hours getting maybe 20 conversations going, which turn into 5 actual first dates (budget 5 hours each for prep, transportation, cancelling and rescheduling, etc.), assume 3 of them have zero chemistry, the other 2 are cool but the chances that someone will sleep with you on a first date is very rare, you go on a second date with them both but again no sex this time just for practical reasons (it's a weeknight, they work early, it takes an hour to get home), it fizzles out with one (no third date), the second one has a vacation planned, but three weeks later you finally have a third date and sleep together.

Mission accomplished. Probably a total investment of 40-60 hours across 2 months. And this assumes you even live in an urban area in the first place where there are 10,000's of people your age to swipe through. You still call that "easily free"?

Contrary to what you might think, dating apps are not full of girls looking for a quick first-date hookup. Sure, they're out there, but it's extremely rare that you'll a) find one at all, b) that she wants to hook up with you, c) that you actually meet and it actually happens. Just the reality of things.

By the way, this is also why the narrative of dating apps killing relationships is false. By the time you've put in 60 hours finding someone you're compatible with, you hope to god you can keep going out with them, instead of going back to square one and doing it all over again. Dating apps are work.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by throwno » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:57 PM UTC

fw_double_e wrote: post #234

shams93 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.

so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.

Wow, if prostitution is legal that means we can have prostitution startups, and prostitution IPOs! Corporate prostitution backed by SoftBank and Saudi sovereign wealth! What a world we're making!