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Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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> The results show strong correlations, but research that would prove a causal link is difficult because ethical experiments cannot deliberately expose people to harm. This is kind of my hobby horse: you don't need to subject people to harm to test causuality. You can do the opposite: Remove harm and see what happens. Maybe give people free HVAC upgrades to filter more particles.

That would also remove other things from the air, which ruins the experiment. The only way to measure if a particular type of pollution is responsible is to only filter that one out, which is basically impossible, or to increase the amount of that one, which is unethical because it's potentially harmful.

You're changing the goal. The question being asked is whether polluted air is healthier than filtered air. The health effects of individual pollutants is a separate matter.

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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No, it’s a Blue Air so doesn’t include an ionizer, it just when HEPA filter.

Huh weird, seems highly rated, too. If it was loud in addition to the ozone smell and there was definitely no ionizer, I wonder if the motor was faulty.

It could have been fake. I bought it in a Chinese mall after all. 6000 kuai also. But I doubt it, I think it could have just been the stale air in the apartment getting to me, you can’t open the windows when you are using it of course.

A real HVAC with air filtering will circulate air from the outside, so is quite different.

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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No, it’s a Blue Air so doesn’t include an ionizer, it just when HEPA filter.

Where is the ozone coming from then? Something doesn't seem right.

It was just a smell to me. I don’t think there was any ozone in there.

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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This is way beyond air, this is water we drink, the chemicals in processed food, the pesticides in the produce. The compounds in furniture, paints, stains, carpeting, general building materials including insulation, plastic plumbing,HVAC components, insistence on living in un-ventilated, year around closed windows spaces.

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Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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Or, like, reduce air pollution since in addition to this possibility it's already known to cause asthma, lung cancer, and heart disease.

This is not true of asthma. Outdoor air quality in the United States has improved over time [1] and asthma rates has increased. [1] https://www.epa.gov/air-trends

Anecdotally, I was diagnosed with asthma as a child and walked around with an inhaler for a few years. I liked it, it tasted funny and seemed like a cool gadget at the time. But I did not have asthma. And I'm convinced there's no way my parents would've been diagnosed with it 30 years ago with the minor symptoms I had.

So perhaps the asthma numbers are influenced by an increased willingness to diagnose it. Just a thought.

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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No doubt pollution will make you sick, but I'm inclined to think that depression has a lot to do with just living in an over-crowded, unattractive, big industrial city environment, having little contact with the natural world.

Came here to say this. Exactly.

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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Not sure how to reconcile this with the fact that suicide rates in rural areas of the US far exceed suicide rates in urban areas. Do the availability of guns in rural areas really offset this effect that much?

Economic disenfranchisement and the decimation of small farms

Re: Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new global study

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No doubt pollution will make you sick, but I'm inclined to think that depression has a lot to do with just living in an over-crowded, unattractive, big industrial city environment, having little contact with the natural world.

Our brains spent millions of years evolving in nature, makes sense that cramming into cities with unnatural lights and disrupting biological rhythm would make them go haywire
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