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Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

MDMA can be incredibly harmful, especially when used frequently.

source please sir

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Huh, maybe mass immigration of culturally distinct impoverished and unskilled young men isn't a good policy after all...

The vast majority of narco crime in NL is done by ethnic Dutch people. Sure, there's other ethnicities too. Like most crime, generally it's a pretty representative mix of the poorer classes. Immigration causes all kinds of things, good and bad, but increased drug crime isn't really on the list so far. Source: I live in the south of NL (narco hotspot) and I read the local newspaper. Majority of drug criminals caught h…

To be fair, TFA's take stresses these connections: "Young Moroccans call each other 'Mocro'...", and "... West Africa. The drugs then went north over old smuggling lines from Morocco, and young Moroccans whose parents had moved to the Netherlands still had family connections and migration routes to tap into."

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What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy.

Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize dealing with that. I don;t know exactly why.

Also: In the evening/night, in Amsterdam city centry, you can see certain guys wandering around: They are drugs dealers, everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Including the police.

But as long as the police doesn't SEE them dealing the drugs, they cant do anything.

That including tall the XTC producing labs in the south of holland, and the perfect infrastructure, big harbours make the Netherlands an ideal breeding ground for big drugs networks.

To be honest, i think we should legalize more, and accept that there is a market for it. Yes i'm dutch too :-)

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I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

MDMA can be incredibly harmful, especially when used frequently.

So can alcohol and smoking.

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I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

MDMA can be incredibly harmful, especially when used frequently.

It needs to be used incredibly frequently and at very high doses.

“Some people taking MDMA have died following severe overheating and other medical emergencies. Deaths following the use of MDMA usually involve high doses and/or the simultaneous use of other substances. MDMA overdoses and drug combinations can also cause serotonin syndrome, which can be fatal. MDMA-associated deaths may alternatively involve overcompensation of the risk of dehydration by drinking much too much water, which coupled with the fact that MDMA may stop a person from urinating, causing fatally low concentrations of salt.”

Source: https://drugscience.org.uk/drug-information/mdma/

This website contains a lot of information and is well sourced. All in all, compared to other drugs MDMA is quite safe when taken properly and in proper doses. A lot of deaths come from what people think is MDMA but actually isn’t.

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Huh, maybe mass immigration of culturally distinct impoverished and unskilled young men isn't a good policy after all...

The vast majority of narco crime in NL is done by ethnic Dutch people. Sure, there's other ethnicities too. Like most crime, generally it's a pretty representative mix of the poorer classes. Immigration causes all kinds of things, good and bad, but increased drug crime isn't really on the list so far. Source: I live in the south of NL (narco hotspot) and I read the local newspaper. Majority of drug criminals caught h…

Well I have heard narratives about white kids in poorer neighborhoods not applying for that gas station/fast food job because they see it as something that the immigrants do. And then getting stuck in a poverty trap leading to crime.

The solutions to that from conservatives is obviously reduce immigration. Progressives need to think about how these kind of dynamics can be changed.

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Huh, maybe mass immigration of culturally distinct impoverished and unskilled young men isn't a good policy after all...

If the unskilled young men were left in their home country, they would still be unskilled for the rest of their lives. But, by bringing them in we are not only teaching them how to be more skilled, but also teaching our society how to more efficiently take unskilled workers and bring them up to a highly skilled workers who can live a middle class life style like you or me. This is because the more you focus on someth…

In theory yes, but not in Amsterdam and the Randstad where there's too many people and too few schools. Not much chance of a middle class lifestyle there either, not with housing prices being what they are. It's a poverty lifestyle even if you manage to get a decent house; no wonder people are looking for fast, big money. Especially if they have family connections and can get away with it easily.
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