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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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the reason, backpage was shut down is that the gvt couldn't get a cut. and like all activities that are morally, grey. once the gvt stops getting their cut, they will scoop in. it's just the same, way the mafia is allowed to operate unions etc and once they ruffle feathers and stop contributing to politicians then all of a sudden the mafia is running a racket. Yet the gvt runs the biggest racket, protection scheme. s…

I believe it was shutdown not because they didn't get a cut, but because they were the perfect boogeyman to create a large cut of other pies. From 'im a do-gooder' message in campaign ads, to raising money from church groups - backpage was popular enough for just about everyone to have known about it, and many people likely to have an associate that actually uses it.. from Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart, and all of his…

The reason Backpage got shut down is because the owners pissed off Cindy and John McCain with negative reporting in the Phoenix New Times and large donations against them. Everything else is just excuses.

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I think the most unmentioned facet regarding prostitution is that for many men, prostitution may be the only way for them to obtain sex, which I feel is just as much of a "right" as is the right for women to obtain an abortion. No I don't believe taxpayers should be required to pay for prostitutes, nor for abortions. But the market for both should be decriminalized. Not only is this something that is morally right, t…

> I think the most unmentioned facet regarding prostitution is that for many men, prostitution may be the only way for them to obtain sex

Andrew Gurza writes about this as a disabled person. Here’s one of his articles about it: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/disability-sex-workers_n_5ca2...

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It's important to note that whenever trafficking is discussed , in 95% of cases it's going to be about consensual prostitution between adults. Anti-sex activists have been successful at attacking the vocabulary.

"But anti-prostitution activists like Hughes often use “sexual exploitation” to include any kind of prostitution or sex work—in fact, Hughes insists in her article that "trafficking occurs even if the woman consents.” "

https://newrepublic.com/article/123302/human-trafficking-has...

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Human trafficking is not the only consideration. There is health and safety of sex workers, issue of tying public resources to police voluntary victimless acts as well as just freedom to make choices about your life. Prohibition makes all the above significantly worse. You would need a lot of compelling evidence it helps reducing trafficking to even get into a reasonable debate on it. I highly doubt it was ever about…

> It's about various groups (on both right and left) wanting to tell people what they are and are not allowed to do with their bodies. Exactly. That's what makes me bitter about these questions. Legalization of prositution is actually an interesting question as you can find left-wing and right-wing arguments for and against. It has a potential of being very divisive or unifying across party lines. And about health is…

There are many other things you can do to reduce trafficking though. You can be more aggressive setting up honey pots and going after traffickers or make borders more secure or invest in social services to help people in rough life situation to name a few.

I don't want the kind of thinking that sacrifices freedom and moral principles so the bad guys have less avenues to profit to dominate our world. For all we know if they can't do trafficking they will switch to other criminal activity and hurt people there. They are the problem not the people who exchange sex for money so let's go after the actual problem.

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You mean exactly how sex workers said it would, but nobody listened to them, because it was never actually about protecting sex workers or victims of sex trafficking? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sex-workers-bill-fosta-sesta_... https://medium.com/voices/while-america-gawks-at-stormy-dani...

It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.

I'm more curious about people who still think Democrats and Republicans are so different from each other

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.

I'm more curious about people who still think Democrats and Republicans are so different from each other

Partisanship is a hell of a drug.

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.

It isn't just the religious right that pushes for backwards prostitution laws. It is also... feminists. Aren't feminists always going on about "my body, my right" when it comes to abortion and other forms of contraceptives? Of course, but when it comes to prostitution, they seem to take a 'differing' view. Why? When prostitution is decriminalized, the price of sex goes down, as would be expected in any market where t…

Some feminists surely do, but conflating some with all is a fallacy of composition that hinders discussion. Your reasoning in the rest of the comment seems rather questionable and veers into seeming even more like a generalization.

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the reason, backpage was shut down is that the gvt couldn't get a cut. and like all activities that are morally, grey. once the gvt stops getting their cut, they will scoop in. it's just the same, way the mafia is allowed to operate unions etc and once they ruffle feathers and stop contributing to politicians then all of a sudden the mafia is running a racket. Yet the gvt runs the biggest racket, protection scheme. s…

Software has been a safe sustainable, decent livelihood for me at least

I'm fairly sure the occurrences of 'SW' in the parent comment stand for "sex working" or something akin to that and not for "software".

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Hah! No shit. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of steet prostitution. One night I was smoking a cigarette on my porch when a girl who was working that night popped out from behind a car, walked over and asked if I had a smoke, and I obliged her.

Apparently she was ducking a guy who had asked for services she wasn't comfortable with, and when they started to argue, she got out. He started to get out and then reached for something, and she booked it.

I asked her if she had seen changes since the passage of SESTA/FOSTA, which she wasn't aware of. She did tell me that the neighbors on the main drag wanted Backpage and the like back, because there had been a significant uptick in street prostitution.

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