https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee
> Physical range 10 to 20 meters
Pretty crappy compared to other low-power protocols...
Amazon, Apple, Google, and the Zigbee Alliance to develop connectivity standard
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> Amazon is choosy on what features you can implement Allowing someone to holler into an open (or recently broken) window to open my front door sounds terrifying.
I, on the other hand, am on the 17th floor. Anyone who can holler at a smart device in my apartment has already compromised something important, and could probably get in anyway. Also, just require a passphrase? To go full star trek, "[Alexa/Google/Siri], unlock the front door, authorisation singingboyo Alpha Pi Pi Zulu" sounds workable.
I use a password to deactivate my Ring via our Echo.
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My guess: first of all, "for security reasons" your DIY device will need to be certified, any existing SBCs will need to be replaced/extended to support new type of network and due to bloated protocol specs with a myriad of abstraction levels will render it almost impossible to implement it on your own and the open source library that can do that will implement the standard as specified whereas all proprietary soluti…
Believe me, they will it will never find adoption. How to say, they are free to make whatever standards, but they will not matter much if nobody will use them. Their entire ecosystem together have less devices shipped than even some OEM nonames, not to say of Xiaomi or Huawei or Tuya who tower over them. All kinds of "smart assistants" like Alexa end up in drawers very quickly after initial novelty passes, and it cre…
Apparently at least Apple is turning over a new leaf; they just open sourced HomeKit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21831259
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#334> The goal of the Connected Home over IP project is to simplify development for manufacturers... > The industry working group will take an open-source approach for the development and implementation of a new, unified connectivity protocol and increase compatibility for consumers. Curious if I as a hobbyist will benefit from this? Or if this will become a: it works perfectly, but only if all your devices connect to ou…
Apple's existing standard (HomeKit) is relatively 'open' - the specification is published, and several open source implementations exist. I've used the Python one to implement automation on the smart-home devices I've built myself. However, you do need to be certified to distribute a product otherwise you get a warning in the app when you add the device. This seems like a fair compromise to me.
HomeKit is now open source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21831259
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I haven't followed the AmpliFi line closely to know if it has easy VLAN support but yeah... I really like the UniFi offerings but a fulling working UniFi system (excluding the UDM) costs ~$800 from my last estimate. I'm saving for it but that's cause I'm a weirdo who enjoys those kinds of things. If you don't mind me asking what networking stack are you using? Also thank you for the very well thought out and reasoned…
Sorry for the slow reply, and I see you've got (and made) one other response. As far as what stack I'm using, on my test lab it's a big mix of course, but my main personal stack right now is UniFi dating back from quite a few years ago. However, I really want to reemphasize my "dumpster fire" aside: I strong DON'T recommend getting into UniFi right now if you're starting fresh, or at least, if you do be really carefu…
Any suggestions on where to go instead of unifi? Was looking at starting fresh and they were still looking like the best option...
Was hoping to start with an extra AP or two for wifi coverage and then build out the rest in time.
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What Zigbee devices can you buy apart from Hue lamps? ZWave has been dominant for many years because there are hardly any Zigbee devices, be it in the US or in the EU. FWIW I'm in the Netherlands and have all ZWave, and when you look at e.g. the symcon.de forums, there are plenty of ZWave users in the EU (and Germany specifically).
IKEA Tradfri devices are probably the biggest user of ZigBee.
Xiaomi Aqara
Amazon Echo Plus etc as a Zigbee hub
Tradfri/HomeSmart from Ikea
I'm not sure I see much z-wave stuff (at least here in Australia)
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I bet you sleep fine knowing anyone can simply pick your locks to get in using knowledge easily obtained on YouTube and using tools readily available.
That statement is equally true for fancy "smart" systems. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32815036036.html sleep tight.
Yes. So they are both susceptible to being compromised. So it'd be up to user preference as to what method they want to lock / unlock their door with then?
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> USB also had the advantage of Intel pushing it, resulting in almost every PC with an Intel CPU (large majority) having USB ports. In the mid to late 1990s, USB was scarce. It didn't take off until after Apple replaced its ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) port with USB in the first iMacs. Once that happened, manufacturers flooded the market with consumer products (e.g. CDRW drives) and PC makers followed suit. Up to that poi…
That neglects to mention that Microsoft Windows 95 OSR2 launched a few months before (97) and that entire release was centered around better USB support for a broader range of components. (e.g. CDRW Drives) I don't think its fair to say PC "Followed suit" in using USB.
> I don't think its fair to say PC "Followed suit" in using USB.
I didn't say that. I said, specifically, "PC makers followed suit".
Microsoft may have supported USB in their OS, but PC manufacturers lagged.
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> USB also had the advantage of Intel pushing it, resulting in almost every PC with an Intel CPU (large majority) having USB ports. In the mid to late 1990s, USB was scarce. It didn't take off until after Apple replaced its ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) port with USB in the first iMacs. Once that happened, manufacturers flooded the market with consumer products (e.g. CDRW drives) and PC makers followed suit. Up to that poi…
That neglects to mention that Microsoft Windows 95 OSR2 launched a few months before (97) and that entire release was centered around better USB support for a broader range of components. (e.g. CDRW Drives) I don't think its fair to say PC "Followed suit" in using USB.
If I remember at the time peripheral manufacturers had USB devices ready to go for the Win95 launch and Microsoft fucked up and couldn't get USB support ready in time. So Win95 shipped without it and peripheral manufacturers were utterly livid.
The next couple of releases of Windows included totally redesigned USB support.
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I bet you sleep fine knowing anyone can simply pick your locks to get in using knowledge easily obtained on YouTube and using tools readily available.
To sleep fine you can use the type of a lock that only opens from inside with turn of a knob (deadbolt?).
I keep thinking back how in the dark ages my parents never locked the door. Much less windows. No one had time for that.